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So after giving it a go with 6th edition and leaving the game entirely. I'm getting a small itch to start again and starting fresh. I've played Sisters, DE, Guard, and CSM.

What is the shape of several armies right now? Right now looking at doing an army that doesn't boast a lot of/any vehicles in lists (I hate painting vehicles). Perhaps a bit competitive but doesn't have to be a big requirement.

Thanks!

You unfortunately have three very weak / neglected forces in the SoB, DE and Chaos - Guard I can't speak for.

Currently everything is about Eldar, Tau and Space Marines in that order if you want competitive

The new Skitarii/AdMech are ironically very light on vehicles. They only sport two between them. They are very good with lots of unique weapons, but not crazy like the current Eldar.

I've had more fun modeling and playing this army than any other army in the past, and I have just about every army in the current 40k range.

it comes down to who your playing. Those codexs struggle a bit against the newer codexs but its not impossible if your opponent is willing to take a list that isn't full of cheese. Chaos is rumored to be getting a redo soon and dark eldar can always allie in other eldar to buff them a bit.

It also depends on where you're planning on gaming, if you're in a more competitve enviroment,you're going to be out of luck for the most part from your army choice, if you're in a more casual enviroment you'll probably be fine.

Which is sad really.

All of your armies are not top tier armies. It will not be easy to win tournaments with them, but they are not as bad as it might seem.

Sisters -> Noting changed really. They just got an update that made them slightly worse. The only exception are the priest. They are the best imperial indep characters in the game.

Dark Eldar->You can still play an effective nasty dark eldar army but they are not up to the same power lv as the newer armies and need an update soon. Got an codex update that removed a lot of items and characters the baron is no more, witches lost their use. Heamunculi got their own book fille with nasty formations. Web way portal is now just deepstrike with no scatter for a unit. There are lots of ways to abuse this. Power from pain got better as are some other units.

Chaos space marines- > Are not as bad most players want you to believe. Sure they need an update and are a bit overcosted but they do have lots of cool stuff and builds ow and SPAWNS ARE ACTUALLY GOOD NOW :|

Imperial guard: They are not that bad. Look for the new formations in the tau campaign book ( they do actually have great psykers now), anything that can give the ignore cover order and wyverens. Wyverens are the new thuddguns. Also there are a lot of nice IG forge world units.
Ps. They also have ministorum priests, never leave home without them.




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Right now looking at doing an army that doesn't boast a lot of/any vehicles in lists (I hate painting vehicles).

No vehicles -> say goodbye to Sisters and Dark eldar.

I just made the mistake of venturing onto the GW website to look at the army boxes.

I stumbled onto AoS and discovered they are selling 'varanguard' at £20 per plastic horsey toy.


You must be minted if you wan't to start a new force

Out of the armies you mention, the Dark Eldar can stand solo and still get stuff done even on a more competitive level. It just revolves around a very spammy build, filled with Venoms and Ravagers.

I also saw a massive Reaver Jetbike -horde beat a typical Warp Spiders spam list ( no jumping and no escape. )

The Astra Militarum just got a new "decurion" style addition in the new Tau campaign book, however it's not powerful per say. The guard can still pull off some nice lists when allied ( with Nemesis Strike Force for example ) and a buffed out conscript horde can surprise many an opponent ( say, a few priests, hit & run from a White Scars -character, perhaps an Inquisitor with Psychostroke Grenades, or Feel No Pain from a Blood Angels Sanguinary Priest. Or a combination of some of the above. )

Coteaz also makes people think twice with his I've Been Expecting You.

And you don't need to buy your models brand new from GW, there are vaurious webstores which sell stuff basically 20% off and ofcourse, there's always eBay.

 Wulfmar wrote:
Currently everything is about Eldar, Tau and Space Marines in that order if you want competitive

I think you forgot Necrons?

You know, you could legally run all four in one army in 7-th. No need to choose.

That'd be a crazy force but a hell lota fun to play with. And you can make a lot of stuff work. Things have changed a lot with maelstorm. Raw killiness is not the leading factor right now. Sure, it's a powerful tool but the games are more about board controle now. For example, i've won a lot of games vs powerful shooty armies with my lowly footslogging boyz horde. Even without engaging in melee.

It varies from army to army. But imo 7-th is waaaaay better than 6-th. The rules are a bit cleared up - still not great but better at least, maelstorm provides wider build and tactical possibilities. All of your armies can be decent. It won't be as easy for you as if you're playing eldar, tau or sm, but still doable.

 Field_Mouse wrote:
So after giving it a go with 6th edition and leaving the game entirely. I'm getting a small itch to start again and starting fresh. I've played Sisters, DE, Guard, and CSM.

What is the shape of several armies right now? Right now looking at doing an army that doesn't boast a lot of/any vehicles in lists (I hate painting vehicles). Perhaps a bit competitive but doesn't have to be a big requirement.

Thanks!

If you don't care about being competitive, then pick whatever you like to field.
If you hate tanks, Guard and sisters are right out. De are not really viable without tanks.
You can use CSM with just a few rhinos and fliers, but they are a laughably bad army and the worst out of the ones you currently own.

I'd wait till some of the new dexes release to see where this game is going for CSM, personally.

For example, i've won a lot of games vs powerful shooty armies with my lowly footslogging boyz horde.

If those were realy shoty then you wouldn't have reached any objectives.

I play IG, my advice is to stay away from them. It is an army totaly devoided of tools needed in 7th ed. You can try to buff them up with ally, but sooner then later you will notice that you may as well play the ally as main army, and maybe run IG to get the wyverns.


DE are eldar without the good stuff. Chaos is marines without grav, drop pods and good rules. SoB do actualy ok, 4 melta dominions with scout supported by powerful ally can work realy well. So If I were you I would start up with SoB.

Still am not sure if you know but 7th is full of multi wound GMC with t8 and FNP, psychic powers making you immune to templates and everything else hitting you on +6, ++2 inv, +2 cover , +2FnP and offten those are combined in the same list.

Makumba wrote:
Still am not sure if you know but 7th is full of multi wound GMC with t8 and FNP, psychic powers making you immune to templates and everything else hitting you on +6, ++2 inv, +2 cover , +2FnP and offten those are combined in the same list.

This bit I've quoted summarises everything that gives me (personally) the heebiejeebies about 7th. Add in a shooting phase where some opponents seems to go on forever with some armies that decimate your army turn 1 - 2 (firing multiple weapons on each model - thinking of Tau specifically but they aren't the only offender) and that's my experience to date.

I don't blame my opponents for using them - and I don't blame myself for choosing codices that are currently weak - but it is a mistake I've learned from - hence the general theme of my posts (love the fluff, play non-competitively now, refuse to invest more into the game, cutting down on number of forces, playing other non-GW systems competivelty)

Did I read the original posters wrong? He mentioned what armies he use to play. I thought he was asking "what is the shape of several armies now", not what he played before.

Vehicles are what make Eldar strong now I think. I am only going by what people say since I haven't played since 5th edition. Just slowly collect and even slower paint. So since you don't want vehicles, Eldar you will stay away from since their "knight" version is what a lot of people complain about.

Space Marines I believe can be done without vehicles, but also it's the vehicles that make them even stronger.

So what is a good strong fun army to play without vehicles? No idea. Hopefully others will be able to say.

Thanks for all the input, everyone.

Thankfully I don't have to make up my mind as I need to finish a few painting projects before I start building another force.

 Field_Mouse wrote:
Thanks for all the input, everyone.

Thankfully I don't have to make up my mind as I need to finish a few painting projects before I start building another force.

Daemons would be an ideal non-vehicle army, and you could ally them with/to your existing Chaos Marines. And with the Crimson Slaughter supplement, you can even do 100% 'daemon' Chaos Marine allies! (Possessed & even the lowly Warptalons + Mutilators become decent units in this manner, though they're still nowhere near 'Tournament' level play)

The only actual vehicles to speak of for Daemons, is the Soul Grinder.
The chariots while technically speaking are vehicles in the rules, are a lot more fun to build/paint than your traditional boxy tanks. And even the Soul Grinder isn't really your typical 'vehicle', since it's really an amalgamation of Daemon Prince/Greater Daemons with Defiler-esque lower quarters!

It's also a really, really fun to crazy on with conversions, since "Chaos".

There's also the Renegades & Heretics army list from IA:13 which can be built to be very horde, with few if any vehicles. And again, they make a great add-on to the otherwise abysmal CSM codex.

With these options, if Chaos is still your first love, then you've got plenty to keep you going for the next year or so, at which point we hopefully hear some solid rumors of new CSM's coming for 2017.

Is it too late to say "It's a trap!"? I say that only because I wanted to play again, was all in on it and then considered if I wanted to play a game like 40k, and watched a game being played and it seemed like the most boring, uninspiring thing ever and the two guys playing didn't seem enthusiastic at all, while on Sunday I went to another game shop that was having a Warmachine tournament, and there were 12 people all heavily involved in their games, bantering back and forth, enjoying themselves. It was like night and day.

If you really like 40k, then by all means play it, but as someone constantly tempted to return every time I find *something* that makes me change my mind and say no, I won't play again.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Is it too late to say "It's a trap!"? I say that only because I wanted to play again, was all in on it and then considered if I wanted to play a game like 40k, and watched a game being played and it seemed like the most boring, uninspiring thing ever and the two guys playing didn't seem enthusiastic at all, while on Sunday I went to another game shop that was having a Warmachine tournament, and there were 12 people all heavily involved in their games, bantering back and forth, enjoying themselves. It was like night and day.

If you really like 40k, then by all means play it, but as someone constantly tempted to return every time I find *something* that makes me change my mind and say no, I won't play again.

40k & 7th edition especially, is not remotely capable of being played as a serious competitive "Tournament" game.
It's just too unbalanced and too clunky without massive house ruling/FAQ'ing by TO's, and there has never been a great deal of tactical depth to the gameplay.

On the other hand, it's a blast for playing more narrative driven games, and/or just throwing dice around with friends and making "pew-pew" noises. And while a number of armies do lag well behind the newer codices, even the woeful Chaos Marines can compete against the likes of Eldar/Tau/Loyalist Scum if players can show a little restraint and not abuse the hell out of the more 'point-and-click' lists and other rank cheddar options.

Go Chaos Daemons dude, almost no vehicles, a top tier army at the moment, loads of fun, and great models to paint!


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 Jewelfox wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
Currently everything is about Eldar, Tau and Space Marines in that order if you want competitive

I think you forgot Necrons?

He also forgot Daemons..