Renegades and Heretics MC killers

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**dragoonmaster101**

As I am creating a R&H list I was wondering what units could take the task of dealing with MCs, one of the most popular unit types in the game. My initial choices were the Salamander Scout with auto-cannons, sentinels with auto-cannons, or blood slaughterers. If Renegades and Heretics are truly devoid of methods to kill such beasts, I would accept suggestions from Codex: Khorne Daemonkin as well.

**CrownAxe**

Unlike shooting tanks, against MCs you really need ap2-3. Almost every MC in the game has at least a 3+ armor save (with some getting 2+ and/or FNP) so if you aren't ignoring their armor save you need to do 3x the work. As such what you need to take is melta, lascannons, or plasma guns to quickly grind them down. Missile launchers are a decent choice also but they'll bounce off the 2+ MCs. Rengades have plenty of options

~ Leman Russes with Lascanon and Melta/Plasma sponsons. You have a couple options for main guns the best ones being the Executioner, Vanquisher, and Punisher (at Heavy 20 the volume should get a wound through the armor save).
~ Sentinels/HWTs with Lascannons or Missile Launchers
~ Rapier Laser Destroys (you should have these always)
~ Earthshaker Artillery Carriages (also something you should just have)
~ Renegade Infantry with Plamsa/Melta and Krak Grenades. Even if you don't take the special weapons you get 20 guys all with krak grenades and a chaos sigil for only 75 points. 20 krak grenades is scary for MCs especially when they are so cheap.

**maceria**

If you ARE going to try spam shots that don't have the AP to just cut them down, multi-las sentinels are a good choice if you bring a lot of them.

**faerrrd**

wyrvens or quadlauncers, preferably max squads if you got problems with units of MC, I find that it deals with almost anything you can't drown in bodies.
Otherwise rapiers as always.

Generally I think R&H are fairly good at dealing with standard MC, their heavy support choices are amazing!
The real problem is FMC...

**Intercessor**

Grenaders with melta or plasma and covenant of tzeentch

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Platoon infantry with krak grenades and characters with melta bombs

**BoomWolf**

Against any MC without a2+ save an earthshaker carriage spam works just as much as against anything and everything else.

2+ as a whole is an issue for renegades. Drowning it in saves is usually the only cost efficient answer that can survive getting in range. Lascannon spam might help, but it's your main weakness overall.

**dragoonmaster101**

Would renegade support teams with autocannons work? A lot of shots that will usually wound any MC.

**CrownAxe**

dragoonmaster101 wrote:
Would renegade support teams with autocannons work? A lot of shots that will usually wound any MC.

Again they will just have a 2+ or 3+ save. A basic carnifex will need 144 autocannon shots at b3 to go down. you are only getting 12 shots from a max squad it just isn't going to pan out

**Slayer-Fan123**

Hmm, 4+ to hit, 3+ to wound, get through a 3+, seems about right. Autocannons are for glancing vehicles to death in mass.

Someone made mention of the Covenant Of Tzeentch. Not sure what that does.

Someone made mention of Earthshakers as well. Don't those have a minimum range? Any Tyranid coming out of a pod or a shunting Dreadknight would render those useless as counters.

**CrownAxe**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Hmm, 4+ to hit, 3+ to wound, get through a 3+, seems about right. Autocannons are for glancing vehicles to death in mass.

Someone made mention of the Covenant Of Tzeentch. Not sure what that does.

Someone made mention of Earthshakers as well. Don't those have a minimum range? Any Tyranid coming out of a pod or a shunting Dreadknight would render those useless as counters.

Covenant of Tzeentch lets the unit snap fire at BS2

For barrage if you can see the unit you can fire within the minimum range

**Slayer-Fan123**

Ah yes that's correct. Thank you for clarifying that.

**gwarsh41**

I had good luck with a platoon with grenades. I can't think of an MC with a +2 save that enjoys being locked in CC. If a riptide is locked in CC, it's not shooting, and that is good enough for me.

Macharius Omega has filled an AP2 slot that I have been missing for a while.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Dreadknight?

**gwarsh41**

Forgot about the dreadknight! what does he have, 4 or 5 attacks? With chaos sigil he will be stuck in fighting a 155pt blob of guard instead of killing my artillery.

Dreadknight would be a good target for a plasmacutioner, or just a good handfull of rapier lasers.

**dragoonmaster101**

What about single ogryns with las-cutters? Get two and that is a possible 10 strength 9 ap 2 attacks on the charge FOR EACH OGRYN, easily downing any dread knight or riptide in a single turn. Scratch that... Just read cumbersome...

**faerrrd**

Problem is, lascutters only allow you to make a single attack at WS 1, if you choose to attack with it, because of the cumbersome rule.

**gwarsh41**

faerrrd wrote:
Problem is, lascutters only allow you to make a single attack at WS 1, if you choose to attack with it, because of the cumbersome rule.

oh holy crap, that is so insanely terrible, it's like a crappy smash attack. Plus, that is on a 75pt model, that has no armor and is T5. Your points just get higher and higher, and then you are looking at the price of a rapier battery, or even lascannon or plas sentinels.