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Soon I will be facing off against my brother and my close friend in a match we have been planning for months and lets say I'm new to the game and am not keen to lose. I'm up against tau and necrons in seperate games and I'm not sure what to pack and what powers and weapons to give my heralds. Would be grateful for any help!

HQ

Herald of slannesh + Steed and Etherblade - 70pts

Herald of slannesh + Steed and Etherblade - 70pts

Herald of Slannesh + Psych 1 - 70pts

Herald of Slannesh + Psych 1, Etherblade and Warlord - 80pts

Troops

18 Daemonettes (2 Squads/units of 9 + Herald) - 162pts

Fast Attack

8 Seekers of Slannesh (2 Squads/units of 4 + Herald)- 96 pts

Total = 548 pts



A few things I would like to know is what you reccomend I do with my heralds? What powers or other upgrades are prefered? Also I have a few other units I can include on the list (will list below) at the substitution of other units. In addition the matches will be based on last man standing and or units lost.

10 Bloodletters of Khorn
3 Screamers of Tzeench
10 Plaguebearers
3 Nurglings

Well you list is illigal because the minimum sized squad for Seekers is 5 so you can't have two 4 man squads of them. And the minimum squad size for demonettes is 10 so you can't have two 9 man squads

I'd recommend dropping some herald. You are spending too many points on characters (that don't actually do much for their points cost). 4 is over kill. Its worth taking 1-2 for the Exalted Locus (which is amazing and you should have). Also two level 1x psykers aren't going to do much (you need too many dice to cast a single power and you aren't gaining any).

So what you need to do is drop the steed heralds (8 seekers is too flimsy to put expensive characters in their), drop the psyker levels, buy a herald an exalted locus and the other foot herald get an exalted reward for the grimoire, combine the seekers and demonettes into a single squad so they are legal then get another troop choice to make the whole list legal. Use extra points on more models

The list should look something like this

HQ
Herald of Slannesh + Exalted Locus and Greater Aetherblade
Herald of Slannesh + Exalted Reward and Warlord

Troops
3x Nurglings
18 Daemonettes

Fast Attack
3 Screamers of Tzeentch
8 Seekers of Slannesh
Total = 548 pts

I assumed my heralds were apart of the Daemonette and Seeker Squad? For example 9 daemonettes and 1 herald for a squad of 10 making it viable? Or am I wrong? Still pretty new so still figuring it all out. Also I thought I needed 4 heralds to make a HQ, If not thats great and I am happy to take more units. How about this:

1 Herald of Slannesh + aetherblade and Exalted locus
1 Herald of Slannesh + BoTN and Warlord
18 Daemonettes
10 Seekers of Slannesh
10 Bloodletters

For a total of 542 points? Althought I heard psychic powers are a must with Heralds of Slannesh, if I include Level 2 powers for both I could swap bloodletters for screamers for a cheaper cost? What do you think?

You don't buy heralds as a part of the demonette and seeker squad (they don't even count as joined until you are playing the game) so they don't count towards the unit size when you are purchasing them.

You don't need 4 heralds for 1 HQ, you have the option of taking up to 4 heralds in 1 HQ slot (as opposed to the normal 1 HQ per HQ slot).

Psychic powers aren't bad on slaanesh heralds, the problem is you really need to commit to doing so (as in taking multple lvl2 psyker heralds) at only 550 points you can't do it adequately so its better to not try and half-ass it.

Also you can't swap the bloodletters because you need 2 troop choices.

So this army list isnt viable?

1 Herald of Slannesh + aetherblade and Exalted locus
1 Herald of Slannesh + BoTN and Warlord
18 Daemonettes
10 Seekers of Slannesh
10 Bloodletters

So can 2 Heralds Join a Squad of 18 Daemonettes? I prefer throwing in some bloodletters as nurglings don't seem too strong when it comes to killing units.

Its not that the list isn't viable, its that it can be better. Nurglings aren't for killing units they are for scoring objectives. You get 12 wounds for less then half the price of the bloodletters while getting shrouded from daemon of nurgle means that as long as they are in cover at all you can go to ground for a 2+ cover save making them very hard to kill. 10 bloodletters just aren't that good their damage is ok but they are slow and fragile so are easily gunned down before they can charge anything (and you are facing two shooting armies) so they aren't going to do much killing anyway. you are better off saving the points and getting the harder to kill unit as neither unit is going to do any significant damage.

Yes both heralds can join the demonettes squad which is the point. Your warlord uses the Griomore to give the entire demonette squad 3++ (Except for himself) so that they are hard to kill to ensure plenty of demonettes hit their lines and massecre. The herald with the Exalted Locus gives everyone in the unit rerolls failed to hit rolls making the blob of demonettes do even more damage and that same herald can use the locus to snipe characters out with a challenge

I understand your build is optimal when it comes to games that include objective and quite good when it comes to killing as well but my game with my friend and brother is purely who can kill one another first, so in that case would the bloodletters be prefered? Or are nurglings and screamers still optimal? Can nurglings act as a bullet sponge/shield for my units when advancing across the battlefield?

Nurglings are less useful if you are only killing stuff. They would only act as a shield if your opponent chooses to target them. Though bloodletters still aren't that great (if you had more models i'd suggest just taking more demonettes)

I suggest playing objectives game btw. Much more balanced and more fun to play IMO.

If my units are directly behind the nurglings dosn't it block line of sight?

Reavas wrote:
If my units are directly behind the nurglings dosn't it block line of sight?

If any part of a model/unit can be seen they can be shot at. Being behind a unit does not automatically block line of sight

Of course, I imagine it would be difficult to obscure vision, but with proper use of cover 3 nurglings may be quite useful in that respect. Even more useful if they are up close to the enemy. Do you think 3 screamers can almost match 10 bloodletters in damage anyway?

Reavas wrote:
Of course, I imagine it would be difficult to obscure vision, but with proper use of cover 3 nurglings may be quite useful in that respect. Even more useful if they are up close to the enemy. Do you think 3 screamers can almost match 10 bloodletters in damage anyway?

the daemonettes need to be running into combat the nurglings won't be able to keep up to screen them

And screamers can more them match bloodletters in close combat because screamers will actually make it to combat.

Also I'm 12 points over 550 at the moment, what should I get rid of to make it viable? Its 562 points total.

Its currently

Heralds you reccomended

3 nurglings

18 daemonettes

10 seekers of slannesh

3 screamers

Drop a seeker