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I am curious what the community thinks are the top marine units for fighting demons that are not from codex grey knights. These can be from any other marine codex (blood angels, space wolves, dark angels, or codex space marine) or chapter tactics.

If you pick something from c:sm, what chapter tactics?

Red Hunters?

Red Hunters.

The Exorcists. They're compared to Grey Knights but also called a 'rounded Codex Chapter' instead of the single minded nature of the Grey Knights. They're in IA:10 if you want to know more about them.

They have a character here. Captain Silas Alberec.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Forge_World_Space_Marine_Badab_Characters_V2.pdf

Their Tactics are whatever you choose. So you can really build an army you like and just pick whatever.

As a side note, the symbols in the Word Bearers side of the Calth box would work very well on them. They do those wards too. It's one of the few 'freehand details' that doesn't have to be freehand now.

Blood Angels are well suited to mowing through the basic hordes of daemonic armies, due to the sheer amount of Flamers/Heavy flamers/dual Hand flamers they can spam. Even the T4/multi-wound stuff like Flesh Hounds will melt against the sheer number of hits that many templates can inflict.

Salamanders likewise are a Marine army I fear, due to their better flamer/melta abilities.

Any Marine army that mounts up on bikes is also a solid daemon killing machine, as Daemons in general have difficulty dealing with mass T5+. (Tzeentch is all but hopeless thanks to Warpflame)
Iron Hands are an absolute nightmare in this set-up, especially when running their supplement codex.

Anyone running Gladius Strike Force with mass Razorbacks, as again, mass vehicle spam is similar to T5+ spam as Daemons have little options for anti-vehicle outside of just hitting the things.

Heavy bolter spamming Imperial Fists will murder non-MC Daemons quite handily.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Blood Angels are well suited to mowing through the basic hordes of daemonic armies, due to the sheer amount of Flamers/Heavy flamers/dual Hand flamers they can spam. Even the T4/multi-wound stuff like Flesh Hounds will melt against the sheer number of hits that many templates can inflict.

Salamanders likewise are a Marine army I fear, due to their better flamer/melta abilities.

Any Marine army that mounts up on bikes is also a solid daemon killing machine, as Daemons in general have difficulty dealing with mass T5+. (Tzeentch is all but hopeless thanks to Warpflame)
Iron Hands are an absolute nightmare in this set-up, especially when running their supplement codex.

Anyone running Gladius Strike Force with mass Razorbacks, as again, mass vehicle spam is similar to T5+ spam as Daemons have little options for anti-vehicle outside of just hitting the things.

Heavy bolter spamming Imperial Fists will murder non-MC Daemons quite handily.

I think IF in general are the biggest to fear, as rerolling all their shots really hurts, same with Ultramarines and their doctrines. I can hold off against flamers and rhinos with good positioning, but that many rerollable shots will tear my army to pieces.

Heavy Bolters, 626? Cover exists ya know, and you're not even paying for an armor save...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Heavy Bolters, 626? Cover exists ya know, and you're not even paying for an armor save...

It's more the fact that Heavy B's are quite decent with IF Chapter Tactics on Devs & Cents...
Plus when the Marine player knows ahead of time that they're playing Daemons, it's all but a guarantee that they'll swap out the otherwise useless Grav weapons for the otherwise not-so-stellar H.bolters
It's not really list tailoring, but general 'army tailoring' is common for our pick-up games.

Our LGS also has an abysmal selection of terrain, with most of it being old cast offs from the Canadian GW HQ.
While I'm one of only a few people who would be willing to shell out for better terrain that would allow us to properly cover 40-50% of the tables, I'm not going to drop the cash when the majority of the players, (especially the Whoremachine crowd), routinely abuse the crap out of the terrain we do have. (I swear to god there's actual human teeth marks in some of the stuff! )

I think I've spent more time this past year repairing the bits we do have than actually playing games!

Most of our games tend to be played on Planet Bowling Ball, with at best 20% terrain coverage. (and if you're lucky, 1 piece of actual LoS blocking terrain)

Experiment 626 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Heavy Bolters, 626? Cover exists ya know, and you're not even paying for an armor save...

It's more the fact that Heavy B's are quite decent with IF Chapter Tactics on Devs & Cents...
Plus when the Marine player knows ahead of time that they're playing Daemons, it's all but a guarantee that they'll swap out the otherwise useless Grav weapons for the otherwise not-so-stellar H.bolters
It's not really list tailoring, but general 'army tailoring' is common for our pick-up games.

Our LGS also has an abysmal selection of terrain, with most of it being old cast offs from the Canadian GW HQ.
While I'm one of only a few people who would be willing to shell out for better terrain that would allow us to properly cover 40-50% of the tables, I'm not going to drop the cash when the majority of the players, (especially the Whoremachine crowd), routinely abuse the crap out of the terrain we do have. (I swear to god there's actual human teeth marks in some of the stuff! )

I think I've spent more time this past year repairing the bits we do have than actually playing games!

Most of our games tend to be played on Planet Bowling Ball, with at best 20% terrain coverage. (and if you're lucky, 1 piece of actual LoS blocking terrain)

Our marine players don't get that luxury. Eldar/Tau have ran most folks out of demons, though.

Perhaps a Sternguard heavy Imperial Fists list?

Reroll one's on special ammo can be quite handy.

Martel732 wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Heavy Bolters, 626? Cover exists ya know, and you're not even paying for an armor save...

It's more the fact that Heavy B's are quite decent with IF Chapter Tactics on Devs & Cents...
Plus when the Marine player knows ahead of time that they're playing Daemons, it's all but a guarantee that they'll swap out the otherwise useless Grav weapons for the otherwise not-so-stellar H.bolters
It's not really list tailoring, but general 'army tailoring' is common for our pick-up games.

Our LGS also has an abysmal selection of terrain, with most of it being old cast offs from the Canadian GW HQ.
While I'm one of only a few people who would be willing to shell out for better terrain that would allow us to properly cover 40-50% of the tables, I'm not going to drop the cash when the majority of the players, (especially the Whoremachine crowd), routinely abuse the crap out of the terrain we do have. (I swear to god there's actual human teeth marks in some of the stuff! )

I think I've spent more time this past year repairing the bits we do have than actually playing games!

Most of our games tend to be played on Planet Bowling Ball, with at best 20% terrain coverage. (and if you're lucky, 1 piece of actual LoS blocking terrain)

Our marine players don't get that luxury. Eldar/Tau have ran most folks out of demons, though.

Actually, Daemons are easily capable of making Tau cry... No psychic defense vs. the best Psychic army in the game? And summoning? And mass Telepathy? And Be'lakor? And that Fast Attack section of doom?
It's funny to see, because amongst our more competitive crowd, the Tau players would rather face anyone else than the couple competitive Daemon players!

Flying Circus Daemons will also take Smeldar's lunch money and run.


I've found that what's killing off competitive Daemons currently is Vanilla Marines and the Gladius Strike Force... There's just way too much av11/12 for Daemons to deal with, as we're the outright worst anti-tank army in the game, sans allies. (of which only IA:13 is really viable)

The Librarian Conclave formation is also quite murderous to the more Psychic lite daemonic lists.

The only time Daemons really start to pull even is if the Marines go full-on Grav spam, which of course, Daemons mostly laugh our arses off at.

Oh. I still think demons are still a very capable codex. they have their weaknesses, but they can crush some gun lines.