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So my forgeworld collection alone is worth more than the average army. I have 12 xv9 -- two with dual pulse submunitions-- 3 tetra 3 remora, a orca, fusion, plasma turret thats my recast and purchased assembled. Here's the problem mib I have a drone sensor tower, drone sentry turret, 2 xv9, r'alai, and a missile pod turret. On top of the 4 xv 15 nib, 9 pathfinder in blister as well as 4 kroot hounds and a shaper. My friend wants to order forgeworld an split cost down the middle. He doesn't have any and I could use more. I want to do this because it helps him build his army and makes it more fun for me to play against. But when to stop? I have so much it keeps building up. Is there a point where you have to tell yourself you have to much and need to stop buying? Should I stop buying or is it a hobby and I have to determine if the money I spend is worth the time I get to play and the laughs an death stares are worth it. After all if they are your friends they shouldn't care if ur model has a plasma gun or a burst cannon as long as you both know.

Sorry, but this post makes no sense at all. Could you put some more effort into making it readable and giving it a clear point?

Could you read each sentence as its own, digest it and not reply with a cynical response?

 Peregrine wrote:
Sorry, but this post makes no sense at all. Could you put some more effort into making it readable and giving it a clear point?

I think he's just trying to show off how much forge world stuff he bought.

TheBoy wrote:
Could you read each sentence as its own, digest it and not reply with a cynical response?

No I agree with Peregrine, I don't know what you are saying

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So my forgeworld collection alone is worth more than the average army. I have so much and it keeps building up.
Is there a point where you have to tell yourself you have too much and need to stop buying?
Should I stop buying or is it a hobby?
I feel that I have to determine if the money I spend is worth the time I get to play.

Currently I've got this lot 2nd hand and from trades....
12 xv9 -- two with dual pulse submunitions--
3 tetra
3 remora,
a orca,
fusion, plasma turret

NIB I have a
drone sensor tower,
drone sentry turret,
2 xv9,
r'alai,
a missile pod turret.

On top of the NIB
4 xv 15,
9 pathfinder
4 kroot hounds
and a shaper.

Now here's the rub.....
My friend wants to order some forgeworld an split the minimal shipping cost down the middle. He currently doesn't have any and I feel that I could use more.
I want to do this because it helps him build his army and makes it more fun for me to play against. But when to stop?
Does anyone else have a plastic crack habit or any tips as to how I can control my urges?

As an aside does anyone use Forgeworld in regular games of 40K? After all if they are your friends they shouldn't care if ur model has a plasma gun or a burst cannon as long as you both know.

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start at the beginning, go to the end and stop.
You can keep collecting until you get sick of your 'plastic crack' habit, until you run out of space, or out of funds.

Personally, I had no problem using forgeworld in normal games - - - when the forgeworld stuff has a clear origin in a normal codex. Models like the R'hvarna(sp?) are a special case because they are only forgeworld - and - have no corresponding entries in the codexes. TL Autocannons on Rifleman dreads? no problem because they 'fill a hole' in a codex (there are no autocannon arms for dreads outside of using Aegis guns or Forgeworld).

as for my personal reason to stop? Funds for one, lack of games makes two, and the fact that I magnetized my suits and realized that I have more than 2000 points of crisis weapons. I have more points in burst cannons, missile pods, flamers, fusion blasters, etc, than some people's entire armies. That is three.

 carldooley wrote:
Personally, I had no problem using forgeworld in normal games - - - when the forgeworld stuff has a clear origin in a normal codex. Models like the R'hvarna(sp?) are a special case because they are only forgeworld - and - have no corresponding entries in the codexes. TL Autocannons on Rifleman dreads? no problem because they 'fill a hole' in a codex (there are no autocannon arms for dreads outside of using Aegis guns or Forgeworld).

This makes absolutely no sense at all. Why does it matter where GW printed the rules? You might as well have a policy that you only allow units that are printed on page 63 of the codex, and anything else is just unacceptable.

 Peregrine wrote:
This makes absolutely no sense at all. Why does it matter where GW printed the rules? You might as well have a policy that you only allow units that are printed on page 63 of the codex, and anything else is just unacceptable.

Power level? Historically anyway. . .
Sources? build a list with one source, and enjoy! Riflemen, yes. Sicarans in 40k? Contemptors? Thunderhawks? Fellblades? I might be a bit behind the times, but should I play a game against someone who brings a manta to a 2000 point game? 'Oh wait, I'd happily play that game - and no matter what I bring I win at the end of turn one'.

LoW are not exclusive to Forge World, and Forge World are not stronger than 'main' GW:

 carldooley wrote:
Power level? Historically anyway. . .

FW units are no more powerful than anything else GW publishes, and haven't been for years (if they ever were). The idea that FW is more powerful is nothing more than a myth invented by a few rabid anti-FW trolls and kept alive by people who repeat it without ever bothering to verify its accuracy.

Sources? build a list with one source, and enjoy!

Why are we talking about one-source lists? That's a concept that has nothing to do with 40k.

Riflemen, yes. Sicarans in 40k? Contemptors? Thunderhawks? Fellblades? I might be a bit behind the times, but should I play a game against someone who brings a manta to a 2000 point game? 'Oh wait, I'd happily play that game - and no matter what I bring I win at the end of turn one'.

Yep, welcome to 7th edition 40k. LoW are part of the standard game, just like all FW units. And the Manta is a garbage-tier unit even if you ignore the "no units on the table = auto-lose" problem. It's way too expensive for what it does stat-wise, and its sheer footprint size makes it almost impossible to use effectively on a 6x4 table. A D-spam Warhound or formation of Wraithknights is much scarier, and those are "main GW" rules (and even codex rules, in the case of the Wraithknights).

Yeeep for all the Manta's point cost its pretty much useless outside of 2500+ and really only viable in 3000+ games.

FW units are no more powerful than anything else GW publishes, and haven't been for years (if they ever were).

I don't know about other factions, but IG stuff is much better in the FW version then in codex version. From what I heard about eldar stuff, a lot of it is better then the not so good options from the eldar codex. The dreads for marines are supposed to be better too, but I do not know what rules they have. The only other faction rules I can remember was when imperial players started buying recast titans to deal with eldar ones when escalation came out, that more or less killed w40k here as it went from 100+players to under 40 with most of those 40 being the ones could afford to buy escalation stuff.

so, what then? should I explain the old arguments that can go one of two ways:
1. It is forgeworld. Please prove that you are using the most current rules.
2. I don't care what Forgeworld stuff you use, just please let me familiarize myself with its rules before the game.

I've played games against FW before, some times it is just something small - a siege dread. other times, it can be something massive. Most memorable was a 'build yer own stompa' that had so many guns. . .
Honestly, I have no real problem with FW, as long as there is a printed datasheet. the Stompa created with VDR still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

FW has some of the cooler stuff, so I see no problem in buying FW to build up your army/ies, or using FW's unique armies the DkoK or RaH.

7th Ed has finally stated in the BRB what everyone that was sick of basic codex spam units has been trying to say for years: Forgeworld is perfectly Legal and allowed in "normal" 40k games.

And I'd totally do a 2k game against a Manta. IIRC aren't they like 1750 on their own?

There is no problem with FW , if you play in a strange place, where people will be buying random FW stuff and use it in their armies. If they act like normal people FW bring buffs to already powerful armies making the balanced even more skewed then it is without FW. If marines are better then IG. Then the fact that both can, technicly, run a warhound won't bring balance to the games. It will just mean that marines got even better and IG players have a better chance vs people who do not run FW. And I don't think that the goal of FW is to make the game more balanced by making it obligatory for everyone. It is already stupid that there are armies who can't be run without ally, or out of a single book.

It's not so much an Equalizer as it just gives most people more options. It freshens up the game.

Back when I played Tau and they first Released Tetras (essentially Pathfinders with Markerlights on a cooler looking Piranha) or the Hazard Suits I was super excited to breathe some new life into my army with unique new toys I could run.

For most armies, FW gives them plenty of options to make their armies more unique and build them to better fit their playstyle.

Hell you can even buy FW models and Upgrade bits just to keep your armies Theme. I'm gonna use Legion Breachers as my Plague Marines just to make them Different from my normal CSM so I can keep the Iron Warriors look and feel.

And I buy the Legion Shoulders, Vehicle Doors, and Special Weapons instead of using the Normal Chaos Ones (in part because GW doesn't put enough of each weapon in the box and for what they cost at GWs webstore to buy Plasma Guns or Flamers, I can go to FW). to spice up my army.

"Power level"

So... Eldar is banned?

It has been 4 editions since I played my first Forge World unit on the table, and people are -still- against it without good reason?

Damn, some people just cling to their beliefs like leeches.

At this point in 7th I don't understand any argument against FW. If your worried about power then your going to have a long list of mods and changes to a lot of recent codexes. If your worried about people playing from one book, your going to have to ban supplements, campaign books, allies, and data slates. Going by the above makes some codexes unplayable.

this train got derailed. For the OP, your the only one that can decide if forge world spending is worth it to you. Without knowing your financial situation and how much enjoyment you get from the FW stuff we can't really tell you.

In fairness it was off the rails to start with.
I did try and help a bit but I think Peregrine might have missed breakfast today.