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So so... I do like the Red Squad card.

Annoyed the defiant class didn't receive some form of phaser upgrade in this pack, firepower 3 is ridiculous for this thing (as it is for the D'D).

Agreed. Red squadron is nice but the only thing I really wanted from this pack was a fix for the defiants low attack. Where's our phaser cannons upgrade?

Well, the Crew upgrades are awesome: Nog is a very solid character, and the other two are nice. Karen Farris on the Yeager would be nice. And Dorian Collins is an amzing crewman for say, the Equinox.

Some cards are decent, Waters, Ferris, Collins, and Red Squad, the rest though are a over priced. I don't see any WOW factor in this pack.

Nog is way over priced for 5 points. If I am playing faction pure I would much prefer Micro Power Relays (Lakota) or either version of Scotty. If playing anyting goes Glin Daro and Power Grid spank the lobes off of Nog.

5 Points is too much for Shepard. An extra green is nice but limited to a 1 is a bit meh. Not being TL is nice but it still requires and action and a disable. Shepard isn't worth 5 points.


The ship ability is meh at best. With only one weapon slot on a 3 attack ship it is a waste spend it on a torpedo to throw away. Considering that time tokens are the thing I could have seen getting
+1 attack for an extra time token, but spending a minimum of 3 points for a torpedo and then discarding it just for +1 attack is lack luster. Given the episode the ship is from it would have been more fitting to get something that gives a free scan.

Some missed opportunity with this pack:

-It is a bit annoying that WK only sees fit to give cards like Type 8 Phasers and Additional Phaser Array in OP/LE packs. Folks have been wanting those upgrades for a long time and WK refuses to provide a retail variant.

-Again no Jake Sisko.

-The tech slot would have been a good spot to give us some type of scan enhancer or something like Micro Power Relays.




I like Waters, Ferris, Collins, and Red Squad but overall I think the rest of the pack is a bit underwhelming. I didn't expect this to be the next Voyager or a Delta Flyer but it would have been a good opportunity to get some cards in the game that folks have been wanting.

It seems wizkids is not willing to hand out cards from the OP ships (prize or blind) in retail. Which is odd, being that the OP ships are purchased once, so all the price gouging via ebay doesn't affect the profits of Wizkids.

I am beginning to sense that the designer(s) have a thing for Voyager, as some of the best single ships have all come from there.

Makes me wonder who is at the helm for STAW. This is from Andrew Parks designer's diary:

"Chris had been a devotee of The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, so he would focus on those shows. I began digging into the Original Series as well as Voyager, a show with which I wasn't very familiar, but which I quickly came to admire over the succeeding weeks."

(https://boardgamegeek.com/user/Andrew%20Parks/blogs)

Parks is doing D&D Attack Wing. We don't know if Chris Guild is still around, WK has not been very forth coming with info about who is doing what over there since there was so much fall out with the Borg.

Most of my thoughts echo Mr. S Baldrick's on this ship.

Really don't understand the ship ability when it only has one weapon upgrade on it's upgrade bar. You could give it a couple extra, but... let's be serious here. You are going to fill that slot with either a Type 8 Phaser Array or Upgraded Phasers. Even if you put a Torp on this ship, there are not enough tech slots for the action economy we've seen with Time Tokens/Target Locks ("free Target Locks or reduce the number of Time Tokens). Lots of crew, but Fed crews are expensive and usualy require a discard these days.

My favorite card out of this pack is Dorian Collins. 2 points allows you to disable and repair one shield if you take hull damage. I really like that! It's cheap, and is basically giving your ship one more shield. She would be perfect for the Delta Flyer. I like how Red Squad is basically the Master Strategist Tokens resource for only 5 points. Even better, it's cheaper. It depends on a lot of crew though, but that's usually not a problem as most Fed ships run a lot of crew anyways.

This is a very solid release and I'll be getting it unlike the ships out of the last couple of waves.

I agree 100% with Mr. S. Baldrick- who is at the helm of STAW? This ship isn't bad, but the last couple of waves have been terrible, and the blind brick ships this season run the gambit of absolute garbage to over powered. Saw the preview for the T'met, and all I could think of was "ANOTHER D'Deridex?!@?!" It's like the Romulans have only three classes of ships: D'Deridex, Valdore, and Reman. So fine, if that's all they are going to give the Romulans, than let's start seeing some better tech and elite talents, eh? And something that doesn't revolve around cloaking, because cloaking is a very poor defense mechanic and just doesn't work anymore (not that it ever did, but...). Eh, I could rant on, but I'll just leave it there.

Collins on the Equinox seems amazing to me, especially with all of the Shield upgrades: drop the 10 points to add +4 shields, Collins for 2 points, and suddenly, if for some reason some one manages to destroy your shields, if they so much as KNICK your hull, they could very well end up facing a fully shielded Nova. Drop Immersion shielding and replay it with Micro repair relays, and now you can spend an action to repair that ONE damage you took to get your shield back...

The only issue I see there is that you are giving up one of those shield spots for micro power relay. You really need those shields because if you are shot in one turn you won't be around next turn to use the action on the relays.

I definitely like the combo of Collins and Power Relays, but I like it on something bigger like a Sovereign, Excelsior or Akira.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Some cards are decent, Waters, Ferris, Collins, and Red Squad, the rest though are a over priced. I don't see any WOW factor in this pack.

Why so negative on this release? As far as I can tell its better than last months releases in every way. It's thematic and not shifting the meta by any means. I figured this was a A++ release for you.

I think part of why this and the Robinson are a little underwhelming is because there is no reason to buy multiples, unless the Mini is in the new metallic plastic. the upgrades are all Unique crew, as with the Robinson.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Some cards are decent, Waters, Ferris, Collins, and Red Squad, the rest though are a over priced. I don't see any WOW factor in this pack.

Why so negative on this release? As far as I can tell its better than last months releases in every way. It's thematic and not shifting the meta by any means. I figured this was a A++ release for you.

Sorry I don't mean to be so negative, but I just see this as another in a long line of releases this year with some really over priced cards that will very rarely see play. There are some good ones in this pack, but like the Robinson it also has some crap too. BUT more than anything else is what is not in the pack. There is no retail equivalent to Type 8 Phasers or some kind of weapon upgrade that fans have asked for since the Defiant came out. Frankly I wouldn't care if it was "Defiant Class only", just put give it to us and put two in the pack.

That said I am happy WK is giving us cards like Glin Daro, Type 8, Micro Power Relays, System Upgrade, Additional Phaser Array, and Upgraded Phasers, but there needs to be more done to get these cards into retail packs and not just OPs. Right now best repai cards in tje game are prize packs only and retail gets Nog, seriously compare Nog to Glin Daro and not be slightly annoyed.

This really could have been the pack where WK showed that good low cost upgrades ars not only limited to OP ships, but they didn't. With a lot of these recent expansions I keep finding myself saying "well this is ok, but ________ is terrible and over priced, another missed opportunity". It makes one frustrated to keep seeing the same thing over and over. It also make me a little jealous of the X-wing players. Whe FF sees a problem the release the Aces and Large ship packs that come with multiple copies of cards that help out under powered ships.

I shouldn't get my hopes up bit I'll probably will for the Montgolfiger next month.

I wonder if the design team and the marketing team are different? perhaps the design team intended for the Lakota to be a retail ship, but instead it was made a blind by Marketing? It seems like there isn't a lot of overlap between the OP ships and the Retail, but rather three times the amount of total ships, that some end uplimited to prizes and other end up as blinds.

I also wonder if the plan is to release blinds and Prizes as retail in another year or so AFTER their initial release? so two years after the Dominion War ships dropped, we get them in retail?

Wizkids has always done this for tournaments even back before Neco took them over. They think it is the only way to generate tournament attendance. I for one will never play in an Attack Wing tournament because of the prize support being what it is. I remember the awful Highlander ccg tournaments where if you didn't have the prizes from prior events you stood no chance. I only play X-Wing tournaments where prizes are cool versions of cards everyone already has and it's more about fun.

On topic, I will be getting this ship as I love Defiant class ships and I liked that episode of DS9.

Sadly, Attack Wing has steadily been going downhill for awhile now. The game's got some serious balance issues and I've become increasingly of the opinion that X-Wing is just outright better written and of higher quality.

Not that I play Attack Wing anymore (for the above reasons), I just found it hilarious that the article talks about the ship as if it wasn't a completely useless disaster of a ship in the show.

 Compel wrote:
Not that I play Attack Wing anymore (for the above reasons), I just found it hilarious that the article talks about the ship as if it wasn't a completely useless disaster of a ship in the show.

Well they did operate behind enemy lines for a year with only a crew of cadets and with only a max speed of warp 3, that is pretty good all things considered. The ship was only lost because Waters lost it towards the end.


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 TheWaspinator wrote:
Sadly, Attack Wing has steadily been going downhill for awhile now. The game's got some serious balance issues and I've become increasingly of the opinion that X-Wing is just outright better written and of higher quality.

I'm not prepared to jump ship. I think STAW has a lot more potential for campaigns and casual play, especially in larger games. I will admit thought that FF is much better at addressing balance issues. By far X-Wing is a better tournament game.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Sorry I don't mean to be so negative

That said I am happy WK is giving us cards like Glin Daro, Type 8, Micro Power Relays, System Upgrade, Additional Phaser Array, and Upgraded Phasers, but there needs to be more done to get these cards into retail packs and not just OPs. Right now best repai cards in tje game are prize packs only and retail gets Nog, seriously compare Nog to Glin Daro and not be slightly annoyed.

No biggie, just a little confused cause you have defend worse releases in past months, as thematic and not meta changing.

As for WK, that is typically how they always have done business, Even for their number 1 seller..Heroclix. a 'rep' once told me that was purposely done. High value OP prizes draw in customers to buy more product, so they can win. I really don't see this changing.

I haven't quit yet but my foot print on buying the game has significantly been reduced. If its not Klingons it's got to be hot for me to buy it.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

No biggie, just a little confused cause you have defend worse releases in past months, as thematic and not meta changing.

That's the thing. I don't want to see anything Meta changing, but more availability for cards that already exist. The best cards in the game should not be LE only. Robinson was a good opportunity to give us an O'Brein that is the equivalent to Daro, but fail. Even if not was a Federation version of Rom he would be better than the one in the Valiant. Rottaran could have seen Dax as a retail verson of Hood Riker. The Valiant would have been a great place to introduce some "Pulse Phasers" that copied Type 8 Phasers. But sadly NONE of this happend, O'Brein, Nog, and Dax all suck. Not every release needs to turn the meta upside down, but the entire game would be better if every faction was getting versions of the quality that is in LE packs instead of the 5 point mostly discards that retail packs have.

I will admit, I like the Talvath the more I think about it. The ship itself is good for the points, the Captain isn't so great without the Fleet Captain resource. The Admiral is good as is Test Cylinder, the rest is rubish. I feel I have been quite critical of some of the others though, Dreadnought, Robinson, Halik, Scorpions.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

As for WK, that is typically how they always have done business, Even for their number 1 seller..Heroclix. a 'rep' once told me that was purposely done. High value OP prizes draw in customers to buy more product, so they can win. I really don't see this changing.

I haven't quit yet but my foot print on buying the game has significantly been reduced. If its not Klingons it's got to be hot for me to buy it.

Like GW I don't think WK really understands the people they sell to, if you give people what they really want they will buy it. Look at FF there are people that will buy two or three Rebel Ace packs so they can run A-Wing swarms, that is $$ in the bank. WK on the other hand they sell 1 OP kit and that is it, out of production and usually one to a store, the real $$ gets made on eBay. You thing they would have learned from the Praetus. There are people (myself included) that went out an bought multiples of those for one card (and because the ship looks cool ) If WK made a retail ship that had something like Type 8 Phasers or system upgrade in them they would sell fast.

Maybe its because I am more of a Star Wars nerd than a Trekkie, but I feel X-Wing lends itself a little more to the story games. Star Trek was always more about people on the crew than it was about ships shooting at each other. War only happened once that I can remember.

And I agree that Wizkids doesn't quite get the idea that limited run ships are really popular... but don't make THEM any money...


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I agree with most of what Baldrick is saying though: there are many missed chances for this game, and it is a real blast to play in smaller numbers and even in bigger ones. I love both games, and I plan on playing them both for at least a few more years.