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Hi all,

After several re-thinks of my army list I [hope] I've settled on the final version which I am going to build. Anyway, I thought I'd run it by you guys for critique and suggestions on improvement without losing too much theme.

So, here it is:

Rite of War = Berserker Assault

HQ

Kharn the bloody + Gorechild = 190

Command Squad + 2 Veterans + 2 power axes + 1 power sword + 2 chain axes = 170

Elites

Legion Destroyer Squad + 2 destroyer marines + jump packs + missile launcher with suspensor web + thunder hammer + artifer armour + 6 chain axes = 325

Apothecarian Detachment

Apothecary + artificer armour + power sword = 65

Apothecary + artificer armour + power sword = 65


Apothecarian Detachment

Apothecary + artificer armour + power sword = 65

Apothecary + artificer armour + power sword = 65

Troops

Legion Tactical Squad +5 marines + extra close combat weapons (chain axes) + legion vexilla + artificer armour + power fist = 265

Legion Tactical Squad +5 marines + extra close combat weapons (chain axes) + legion vexilla + artificer armour + power fist = 265

Legion Tactical Squad +5 marines + extra close combat weapons (chain axes) + legion vexilla + artificer armour + power fist = 265

Heavy Support

Legion predator + lascannon sponsons = 125

Legion Vindicator + laser destroyer array = 130

2,000 points

Apothecaries go with the command squad and the tactical squads which advance up the field and do their thing. The predator primarily pops transports or dreads and the vindicator deletes heavier armour. The destroyers jump around and attack whatever they can do the most damage to.

I maxed out my destroyers due to he amount of fire they take. If you're dead set in keeping them, I would recommend beefing them up. Besides the legion standard, the command squad seems like wasted points, dropping this would also allow you to remove that fourth apothecary.

I seem to be the minority, but I see no real point in taking artificer armour in your tactical squads. Maybe if they were min numbered squads, but you have large squads benefitting from the FNP from the apothecaries. That is potentially another 30 ts best used elsewhere. I like that you went infantry heavy. I to, after some purchases, am using a lot of infantry units in my World Eaters. The rampaging, Butchers Nails induced massed infantry charge just seems right.

Looks okay...

How do you plan to kill tanks?

I would pick a different squad for kharn

Destroyers look good to me but probably drop artifier armour and the thunder hammer, if they are in combat it's gone wrong lol

Put those duders in transports, guys foot slogging it down the board will always die and it only takes s8 which there is alot of in heresy to negate your feel no pain

Maybe try orbital ROW instead?

I don't see where Destroyers even fit in here. They really do not provide a lot of fire and eat up a ton of points. Admittingly they look awesome and when moritats were pretty badass back in the day of chain firing plasma pistols I ran a full squad with my Night Lords as escorts and they did ok. I preferred other jump pack troops however and eventually just ran him on his own.

They really do not scream World Eaters to me. If you haven't already bought the models, why not look into Red Butchers or a Vet Squad either equipped for close combat or for fire support since that is kind of the reason for using the Destroyers.?

I put the destroyers in for fluff reasons - the World Eaters were known to have large numbers of them. I have been re-thinking them lately though as they use a lot of points.

while building points effective should be considered, 30k is is Fluff (and rule of cool) > Crunch (and the NEED to win)

Destroyers have their uses, since as of the new FAQ, rad missile cause a game long -1 toughness to the unit. I like to run my tac. squads full on 20-man squads, especially If I'm gearing them for CC, just because it will help mitigate lost wounds. Beyond that, maybe a unit of terminators to act as a distraction or bullet sponge. Also, I have to echo brother marcus's statement on dropping the CC upgrades for the destroyers, since they should NEVER be in close combat (even if they DO technically have 2 ccw's).

Rule of cool is nice, but there are cooler more iconic units for WE that are more points efficient. Destroyers are like justaerian, painfully over priced for what they can do. While I am all about fluffy overpointed units(I do use assault squads in my Night Lords) they need to at least be somewhat effective. That said, I missed the part in the FAQ about the unit now having -1T. That actually has pretty far ranging uses, but definitely do not give them extra CC equipment. That's still a crap ton of points for a unit that will be hanging back firing 2 missiles a turn. I would almost say to ditch the jump packs and all additional equipment and just stick them in terrain and shoot the whole game.

If I drop the destroyers I can add a unit of red butchers with power fist + chain fist (cheapest way to gain +1 attack with x2 strength) on the sergeant and save 40 points. No idea where to use those 40 points though.

Thinking about it, can Kharn have a command squad? I was just looking through the book for something for 40 points and the command squad says only Praetors can take one

I don't have the book in front of me, but likely not. If not, how about a hand to hand equipped Vet squad to run him with? I forget, don't WE have a power armored hand to hand unit as well?

They have rampagers. I think I'll see what I can do with the 40 points I have left and the points cost of the command squad and see if I'm happy with it.

So, yeah, the rad missile has always been allowed to do that. I think they covered it in the FAQ just to remind players why they are so evil. Great on taking down high toughness, point costly MCs and characters. And with Suspensor on the MLs, they are still effective moving and shooting, just have to factor in the half range restriction. Str 4 AP 3, 3" blast with Rad Phage and Fleshbane is awesome.

Plasma on the Moritat was changed sometime ago. I always like mine with dual volkite serpentas. Fun times against Tyranid and Imperial Guard.

The Destroyers are a fluffy WE unit. I bought mine to represent Skane's Destroyer units in Betrayer. Over costed in points, but the Butchers and Rampagers are even more so.

Two wound terminators are cool, but unless you plan to mount those 'sum bitches in a Land Raider or Spartan, they are going to take a vile amount of shooting as they plod their way up the table. They have no teleport Homer option for WE, so...

I would say the Rampagers are one of the best assault based units in HH, but the unit cost his horrible. They work amazing with jump packs, but that even puts a greater strain on their points cost.

The Destroyers are a great denial unit. Drop the TH and AA off the Sgt and go with some Phosphex bombs. Lovely devices.


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Kharn can have a Command squad, but if you are going with some fluff, seems sort o wasted on him.


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 brother marcus wrote:
Looks okay...

How do you plan to kill tanks?

I would pick a different squad for kharn

Destroyers look good to me but probably drop artifier armour and the thunder hammer, if they are in combat it's gone wrong lol

Put those duders in transports, guys foot slogging it down the board will always die and it only takes s8 which there is alot of in heresy to negate your feel no pain

Maybe try orbital ROW instead?

I would say the Predator and the Vindicator laser destroyer can cover that off just fine.

Mat

 combat engineer wrote:

The Destroyers are a fluffy WE unit. I bought mine to represent Skane's Destroyer units in Betrayer.

That's the exact reason I included them.

I recommend trying out everything that your wallet will allow. But try out your fluff list first. I find mine is fun to use, a bit restrictive, but that is based on my decision to do said list.

Unfortunately my wallet won't allow me to try everything to see if it works unless I proxy.

How does this list look?

Kharn + gore child

10 rampagers + power axe + artificer armour + 2 exoriator chain axes + heavy chain sword

5 red butchers + power fist + chain fist (on devoured, all others have duel power axes)

3x apothecary + power sword + artificer armour

3x 15 tactical marines + chain axes + vexilla + power fist + artificer armour

predator + lascannon sponsons

vindicator + laser destroyer array

2,000 points exactly.

Loads of bodies, plenty of AT, several nasty threats for my opponent to deal with and fluffy (loads of crazy guys, loads of axes, and the World Eaters were known for furious armoured warfare too). I'll probably add destroyers and a couple of transports on the way up to 3,000 points.

Any thoughts on dropping the Rampagers to give the Butchers a set of wheels to move up the board with?

I guess I could, I kinda thought one transport on its own might get too much attention though. Are the butchers good enough to hang around until the rest of the guys show up?


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Or, if I drop the apothecaries, I can buy the butchers a land raider and keep the rampagers. Or would it be better to keep the apothecaries?

I think you could easily drop the Rampagers, get the Land Raider and still afford the Apothecaries.

Both the apothecaries and the rampagers each cover the cost of the land raider. I was just wondering which would be best to keep, on one hand I have 10 guys with 2 attacks each (some with 3 due to extra cc weapon), a few special weapons thrown in and 6+ feel no pain, on the other I have 3 guys with 2+ armour, a power sword each and the ability to give the rest of my army 5+ (?) feel no pain.

Which would be the better option to keep in order to give the butchers a ride?

I love my Apothecaries. However, you could also drop the Butchers to add in the LR. Better mode of transport for the Rampagers.

I attach an Apothecary and Kharn to a Tactical Squad and mount them into a Spartan. Works well. I like it's transport capacity.

Mat

Hmmm, looks like I have some thinking to do

The Rampagers seem to be the better option the two, both in points and rules. IMO, either way you go, they both need a delivery system. Jump packs on the Rampagers would be great, but would add a lot more points to an already costly unit.

I'll keep the rampagers, drop them to 9 men, add Kharn and give them a land raider with armoured Ceremite, frag assault launchers and some kind of pintle weapon. Should do the trick.

Thanks for your help

Happy headhunting!

 edbradders wrote:


Legion Tactical Squad +5 marines + extra close combat weapons (chain axes) + legion vexilla + artificer armour + power fist = 265

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Shouldn't those be 235 points per unit?

They would be if I replaced their boltguns with chainaxes but I want them to have both so they can shoot as well as chop.

 edbradders wrote:
They would be if I replaced their boltguns with chainaxes but I want them to have both so they can shoot as well as chop.

Depends which "school" you are in debate of "are chain axes free?"

What is the final tally?

 Morhgoz wrote:

 edbradders wrote:
They would be if I replaced their boltguns with chainaxes but I want them to have both so they can shoot as well as chop.

Depends which "school" you are in debate of "are chain axes free?"

The way I read it, you first have to buy the extra close combat weapon (for the tacticals) then replace it for a chain axe at no extra cost.

That's one way to look it.