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Alright, the simple question is this, What happens if I cast Mind Wipe on a Walker (or superheavy walker)?

A) The Walker has their WS and BS lowered to 1 until they are required to take a leadership test, then they automatically go back to normal

B) The Walker has their WS and BS lowered to 1 until they are required to take a leadership test, then due to not having a leadership score, automatically fail it and are at WS/BS 1 for the remainder of the game?

C) The Walker can not be targeted by Mind Wipe because they do not have a leadership score

D) Something else entirely that I can't even comprehend.

some relevent topics to this discussion. Psychic pilot states the vehicle behaves as having LD10 for all things that deal with psychic powers, however in this example I'm targetting a walker without the pyschic pilot rule. Is this enough precedence to say that ALL vehicles behave as leadership 10 when dealing with psychic powers? Another question is this passage from the BRB "It is assumed, in all cases, that the crew’s faith in their vehicle, and its considerable armour plating, is absolute. Therefore, vehicles never take Morale checks or Leadership tests." How does that work in regard to psychic pilot vehicles that perils. Even though that rule is a NEVER statement, does the perils and the psychic pilot trump it? I know I'm kind of going off on a tangent at this point but I'm trying to get some stuff worked out in my head before a big game, Thank you in advance for any and all help on this.

Vehicles do not take leadership tests. So in effect, they automatically pass.

Vehicles, Leadership and Morale
It is assumed, in all cases, that the crew’s faith in their vehicle, and its considerable armour plating, is absolute. Therefore, vehicles never take Morale checks or Leadership tests. Any occasional lapses that do occur are represented by Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned results on the Vehicle Damage table.

ItsPug wrote:
Vehicles do not take leadership tests. So in effect, they automatically pass.

Vehicles, Leadership and Morale
It is assumed, in all cases, that the crew’s faith in their vehicle, and its considerable armour plating, is absolute. Therefore, vehicles never take Morale checks or Leadership tests. Any occasional lapses that do occur are represented by Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned results on the Vehicle Damage table.

so two questions for you. Are you saying then in my scenerio that option A is what happens? What happens when a Grey Knight dreadnaught perils while manifesting a psychic power?

Crazy Jay wrote:

ItsPug wrote:
Vehicles do not take leadership tests. So in effect, they automatically pass.

Vehicles, Leadership and Morale
It is assumed, in all cases, that the crew’s faith in their vehicle, and its considerable armour plating, is absolute. Therefore, vehicles never take Morale checks or Leadership tests. Any occasional lapses that do occur are represented by Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned results on the Vehicle Damage table.

so two questions for you. Are you saying then in my scenerio that option A is what happens? What happens when a Grey Knight dreadnaught perils while manifesting a psychic power?

They are LD 10 per the Psychic Pilot rule and suffer whatever results on the table. I do not know the wording of the rule in the OP, what does Mind Wipe do.

Fragile wrote:

Crazy Jay wrote:

ItsPug wrote:
Vehicles do not take leadership tests. So in effect, they automatically pass.

Vehicles, Leadership and Morale
It is assumed, in all cases, that the crew’s faith in their vehicle, and its considerable armour plating, is absolute. Therefore, vehicles never take Morale checks or Leadership tests. Any occasional lapses that do occur are represented by Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned results on the Vehicle Damage table.

so two questions for you. Are you saying then in my scenerio that option A is what happens? What happens when a Grey Knight dreadnaught perils while manifesting a psychic power?

They are LD 10 per the Psychic Pilot rule and suffer whatever results on the table. I do not know the wording of the rule in the OP, what does Mind Wipe do.

Mind Wipe is a malediction that
targets a single enemy unit within
24". All models in the target unit
have their Weapon Skill and
Ballistic Skill reduced to 1 until the
end of their next turn, at which
point the unit must take a
Leadership test. If the Leadership
test is failed, the effects of Mind
Wipe last for the rest of the game.

Yes, A would be the correct answer.

If you can't take a Ld test, you can't fail it so I'd stick with A as well.

DaPino wrote:
If you can't take a Ld test, you can't fail it so I'd stick with A as well.

Just playing devil's advocate here, but why not go the other way and say that units without a leadership score can't pass them (thus automatically failing them) instead? Is that situation covered in the rule book somewhere?

Reread what he said and reread the rules for the power in question. You never take the test, so you can't suffer the consequences of failing said test. With Mind Wipe, there's only consequences for failing the test.

Id go with option A unless it is against a psychic pilot ruled vehicle then i would us Ld of 10