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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/18 13:09:11
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Vehicles
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
The grim darkness of far Fenland
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Sorry, I know there have been threads on this before, but I couldn't find an answer (maybe there isn't one).
Iron Hands Chapter Tactics include: "Iron Hands characters and vehicles have the It Will Not Die special rule...". I can't find a single vehicle with the Chapter Tactics special rule.
As I see it, RAW means the part about vehicles having IWND is pointless, as no vehicles can benefit from it.
HIWPI - if it's an IH vehicle, in an IH detachment, it still benefits.
Have I missed anything, and/or is there a consensus on how this is played?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/18 13:24:03
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Vehicles
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Dreadnaughts have Chapter Tactics and are the only beneficiaries of this rule. Other IH vehicles do not get IWND.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/18 13:30:52
Subject: Re:Chapter Tactics and Vehicles
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
The grim darkness of far Fenland
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Dammit - missed the dreads. That'll explain it then!
I think I prefer that anyway - I don't play competitively and I think my buddies will be  off enough at FNP all over the place, without all vehicles getting IWND as well!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/18 22:16:41
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Vehicles
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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Or, more specifically, other vehicles are not Iron Hands vehicles, since the Chapter nametag only applies to units that have the corresponding Chapter Tactics.
It's a bit of a hole in the current rules, as it makes a mess of Chapter-specific formations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 12:20:39
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Vehicles
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
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insaniak wrote:
Or, more specifically, other vehicles are not Iron Hands vehicles, since the Chapter nametag only applies to units that have the corresponding Chapter Tactics.
It's a bit of a hole in the current rules, as it makes a mess of Chapter-specific formations.
Huh? Formations work just fine as far as I know. All it does is not give Vehicles outside of Dreadnoughts (just the three from the Codex!) the benefit of Chapter Tactics. Which in the case of IH seems pretty stupid, but that's RAW. RAI was probably different, and I'd allow it in a game vs me - I'm not playing CT: IH with my own marines anyway.
Unless said IH player also brings the 1+ FnP - Then I'd let him decide: RAW for both or RAI for both.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 21:02:00
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Vehicles
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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The problem is that Chapter Tactics defines the Chapter.
So anything that requires all of your units to be drawn from the same Chapter will only allow you to use units with Chapter Tactics corresponding to that Chapter.
So no vehicles other than Dreadnoughts...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 21:03:35
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Vehicles
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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I'm sure ITC rulings said it applies to non-Chapter Tactic vehicles, but that is just ITC
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 21:10:39
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Vehicles
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Tactical_Spam wrote:I'm sure ITC rulings said it applies to non-Chapter Tactic vehicles, but that is just ITC
Why would they?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 21:45:32
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Vehicles
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Not as Good as a Minion
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Because there are a lot of Codex Marines players who answered the poll, probably.
I believe many of their decisions are based on popularity rather than based on RAW or RAI. And that's fine for a House Ruling Tournament group. It's their job to attract players, and you do so with popular rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 22:14:01
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Vehicles
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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The last version of the codex had the specific line: "even though vehicles do not have the Chapter Tactics special rule", which was removed in the current version.
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