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Is it possible to take one battle company as clan Raukan, and a second battle company as the SM codex and still get the bonus from the Gladius free transports?

Mind you, this would also allow me access to both sets of relics from both codexes

OR

For that matter, can you take a battle comapny of blood angles and then a company of Clan Raukaan in a gladius to give the BA free pods and the hands free tanks??

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From 'Chapter Tactics' in Codex Space Marines:

All models in the same Detachment or Formation must be drawn from the same Chapter.

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Yes you can. It might be prohibitively expensive to run 2 battle companies (in other words 4 demi companies) and the 2 auxiliaries required to make each battle company legal. Note however Blood Angels don't have that rule so a battle company of them does not get them free transports.

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So, in other words, I can take a demi company from SM codex and a Demi company from Clan Ruakaan a SM supp, form a gladius, take 2x codex worth of relics from 2x codexes and gain free pods for the list?



This is a really tricky question and i appreciate the feedback Fling <3

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 xSoulgrinderx wrote:
So, in other words, I can take a demi company from SM codex and a Demi company from Clan Ruakaan a SM supp, form a gladius, take 2x codex worth of relics from 2x codexes and gain free pods for the list?



This is a really tricky question and i appreciate the feedback Fling <3

See my post above.

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No, you can not. If you use one source for your Detachment, you use that source for the entire Detachment. You don't get to cherry pick units from Supplement A and Codex B unless you make new Detachments for each source. So Detachment A is from the Codex, Detachment B is from Clan Raukaan is fine, but not all in one Gladius.
   
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Clan Raukaan wrote: Al Clan Raukaan detachment is chosen using the army list presented in Codex: Space Marines. It also has a series of supplemental rules (presented below) that must be used in addition to the material found in Codex: Space Marines. When choosing a Clan Raukaan detachment, you may only use the Iron Hands Chapter Tactics.


The only real hiccup is that Codex: Space Marines technically doesn't exist. As long as you're willing to make 1/2 caveats it is a rather smooth transition. Just replace "Codex: Space Marines" with "Codex: Adeptus Astartes - Space Marines". The only other real issue is that the "Master of the Forge" no longer exists, so that part kinda breaks. It does, however, allow for non-HQ techmarines to be taken. {Re: Scions of the Forge}.

[edit] Well, if we want to bring a new level of rules-fu into the picture, Codex: Space Marines is alive and well. It's listed as so on GW's website so never mind on the Adeptus Astartes bit. Wee!!! Even shows it as such on the binding of the book. Neat. Any cross-compatability due to the supposed name-change of the book are bunk.

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 xSoulgrinderx wrote:
So, in other words, I can take a demi company from SM codex and a Demi company from Clan Ruakaan a SM supp, form a gladius, take 2x codex worth of relics from 2x codexes and gain free pods for the list?



This is a really tricky question and i appreciate the feedback Fling <3

All Chapter Tactics in a Detachment must be the same. The Gladius Strike Force is a detachment. So, all the models with Chapter Tactics will be using the same Chapter Tactics even though it is full of different Formations. So, in order to take a full Battle Company to have "free pods", both Demi-Companies, and any Auxiliary and Command Choices associated with them for the Gladius, will be Clan Racoon, or whatever Chapter Tactics you have chosen.

If the demi-companies have different Chapter Tactics then they won't be part of the same Gladius, and so won't provide Battle Company benefits.

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 xSoulgrinderx wrote:
So, in other words, I can take a demi company from SM codex and a Demi company from Clan Ruakaan a SM supp, form a gladius, take 2x codex worth of relics from 2x codexes and gain free pods for the list?



This is a really tricky question and i appreciate the feedback Fling <3


No you can't do that. A Gladius is a detachment and as such the entire detachment must share the same Chapter Tactics. So you can't mix demi companies. However you can do what you asked in your OP of selecting 2 Battle Companies of different chapters and get free transports for each by taking an auxiliary for each and running them as 2 separate Gladii

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People are saying and no, and I agree, however not for the reasons stated. Mostly because OP never said he was going to use different Chapter Tactics, and Clan Raukaan specifically says it uses Iron Hands Chapter Tactics. Or is it Imperial Fists? I forget. Either way, I'm assuming OP is planning on using the same Chapter Tactics, he just wants access to two different relic lists.
Unless the wording has changed, in order to use the Clan Raukaan relics and rules, you need a Clan Raukaan detachment. In order to be a Clan Raukaan detachment, every unit from the detachment would have to use Clan Raukaan rules, which means the entire Gladius would be using those rules (a Battle Company as part of a Gladius is not a detachment on its own). As such, every model (within the Gladius) with access to Relics would have to use the Clan Raukaan relics and does not have access to SM relics.

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 Happyjew wrote:
People are saying and no, and I agree, however not for the reasons stated. Mostly because OP never said he was going to use different Chapter Tactics, and Clan Raukaan specifically says it uses Iron Hands Chapter Tactics. Or is it Imperial Fists? I forget. Either way, I'm assuming OP is planning on using the same Chapter Tactics, he just wants access to two different relic lists.
Unless the wording has changed, in order to use the Clan Raukaan relics and rules, you need a Clan Raukaan detachment. In order to be a Clan Raukaan detachment, every unit from the detachment would have to use Clan Raukaan rules, which means the entire Gladius would be using those rules (a Battle Company as part of a Gladius is not a detachment on its own). As such, every model (within the Gladius) with access to Relics would have to use the Clan Raukaan relics and does not have access to SM relics.

Correct. It still falls under the same restrictions, either way.

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