My Theory of the II XI Legions.

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**insaniak**

n0t_u wrote:
Have they been retconned into separate universes or separate universes connected by the warp?

There's nothing in print about it. As far as I'm aware, there was a single reference back in Rogue Trader to the WHFB world being in the 40K universe but isolated from the galaxy by warp storms. From 2nd edition onwards, there has been no mention of this in any official material, just the occasional cross-over stuff like Chaos characters appearing in both settings and WHFB campaign material bestowing laser guns as rewards.

When asked about it at various times over the years, though, the studio has consistently said that the two are not considered linked. They just share some common elements.

**BoomWolf**

You can think it as if 40k and WFB/AOS are not in the same universe, but are at the same multiverse.

The two Khornes are not the same Khorne, the two Nurgles are not the same Nurgle, etc...

Back to the lost ones.
I'd assume at least one is Xeno-related. probably had been too friendly with xenos and refused to turn on them. I mean, what are the odds every primearch ended up on either a human or an uninhabitant world?

Another possibility is that they refused to accept the emperor to begin with, and went to war against him straight away.

**kalonjacarl**

the going theory ith my friends and i is the two primarchs wanted nothing to do ith emperor and mankind and maybe hug round aliens and advanced technlogicall band oof humans, so that's why they are not to be mentioned because not only did they turn their back emperor couldn'tdo anything about it

**Grimtuff**

Sooooo... We're just ignoring my post where GW flat out said in the fluff all 20 Primarchs were found and participated the great crusade?

**insaniak**

Grimtuff wrote:
Sooooo... We're just ignoring my post where GW flat out said in the fluff all 20 Primarchs were found and participated the great crusade?

They didn't say 'all 20'... just 'all'.

Given that the 2 Lost Legions have had all records expunged, that 'all' could just as easily be referring to 'all' of the known Primarchs.

There's also the fact that anything stated in the fluff right now is liable to change between now and whatever time GW does (if they do) decide to flesh them out. After all, originally they were stated to have still been around at the time of the Heresy, and to have initially fought on Horus's side (despite that making a mathematical fallacy of the statement that 'half' of the Legions sided with Horus). Then along came the Horus Heresy novels, and we find that they're already long gone well before Horus wakes up on the wrong side of the bed.

**TDS92A**

Alpharius and Omegon are twins true enough. However, they are the Primarch(s) of the XXth Legion. Which sort of ties back to my original post saying that they were the original Primarchs of the 2nd and the 11th Legions. Since they are twins, they would have established twin legions. Perhaps the Emperor put them together in one Legion and had them do what they are so good at, subterfuge. They ally themselves with Chaos, under the direction of the Emperor to attack Chaos from behind. Every now and then they attack the Imperium to keep up appearances all the while bring intel back to the Imperium on what Chaos and the Traitor Legions are up too.

Slayer le boucher wrote:The 19th Primarch is a reference to Alpharius and Omegon, since they are twins.

The bit about the Emperor and Chaos in the first heretic, from what i recall is a left over bit from when Horus was approached by the Gods during his feverish dreams after the incident on Davin.

Where you had the Chaos Gods showing him an altered and twisted version of what happened when the Primarchs where scattered through the galaxy.

In this scene you see the Emperor watch in silence and with a stern gaze the cryo-tubes of the primarchs getting swalloed in the warp, without even flinching, in wich Horus in his ethearal form sees his tubes and his borhters tubes, where he explains seeing a tube with 2 forms in the liquid ( Alpharius and Omegon), and one that had a damaged tube ( Sanguinus).

Now the theories are that either the Emperor had struck a deal of some sort with the Gods, wich i find really unlikely since,...well the Emperor is basicallt the Anathem of Chaos and their nemesis.

Or that the Emperor foresaw, that the Gods would try something and that ther was nothing he could do about it, or simply that the scattering of the Primarchs was in his calculations, since it was the perfect excuse to start the great Crusade, and that when finding his Sons back, he would have loyal servants with them and the ressources of their Worlds.

nosferatu1001 wrote:TD - Alpharius and Omegon, twin Primarchs. So there are (at HH) 19 primarchs around.

**Farseer Anath'lan**

insaniak wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
Sooooo... We're just ignoring my post where GW flat out said in the fluff all 20 Primarchs were found and participated the great crusade?

They didn't say 'all 20'... just 'all'.

Given that the 2 Lost Legions have had all records expunged, that 'all' could just as easily be referring to 'all' of the known Primarchs.

There's also the fact that anything stated in the fluff right now is liable to change between now and whatever time GW does (if they do) decide to flesh them out. After all, originally they were stated to have still been around at the time of the Heresy, and to have initially fought on Horus's side (despite that making a mathematical fallacy of the statement that 'half' of the Legions sided with Horus). Then along came the Horus Heresy novels, and we find that they're already long gone well before Horus wakes up on the wrong side of the bed.

They're both known to be gone, without coming back. (Unremembered Empire, where the Lion tells Guilliman that two of his brothers will never sit at his conference table), which would indicate that they were both found, as if one were merely lost, there is the possibility he'd sit there.

I don't really have any personal theories.

**HoundsofDemos**

no one knows that they are twins though, the hints are enough to show that there are 2 missing legions and two missing primarchs. Plus A and O are also hinted to be one being split into two bodies due to the warp.

**TDS92A**

In the novel "Legion" Both Alpharius and Omegon both an appearance in the same room at the same time. They both talk to the facilitator of the Cabal that wanted to have the XXth do work for them.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
no one knows that they are twins though, the hints are enough to show that there are 2 missing legions and two missing primarchs. Plus A and O are also hinted to be one being split into two bodies due to the warp.