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2016/02/09 02:41:03
Subject: GW new "build + paint" range, moving to models stores
Ghaz wrote: Nope. The forums knew full well it was a starter set. The complaint was that a new player would want to join an existing group and play a game of 'Flames of War' when what they had been playing was 'Open Fire!'.
People didn't have such issues back when there were different versions of D&D. I remember going from Basic to Intermediate dungeons.....ahh.....gosh, I'm old.
Pffft... the box sets were Basic... then Expert And of course, Advanced, which was the good ol' hardcover rulebooks. Remember when there were only 3 of them, PHB, DMG, and MM? Wow, ancient times.
And eventually they made them a red box, and blue box, and then came the gold box... where everyone was an Immortal (and I think character levels started at 100 or some such) ahhh happy days
With respect to 40k:
I truly don't think there would be the outcry. The game I'm talking about would be a different game based on the a much smaller number of allowed models (nothing ginormous, no superhero unkillable ten thousand year old quasi-deities). It's not like there won't be new players who want big games with big models on big tables, where epic heroes are suitable.
Basic.
Expert
Companion
Masters
Immortal
BECMI for the the whole thing.
When I got started, there was D&D - then Greyhawk, then Blackmoor, then Eldritch Wizardy....
I had been playing D&D for a year before Basic Dungeons & Dragons came out, as well as the Monster Manual for AD&D.... It took three years for them to get around to the DMG for AD&D.
I still have all of those old 'Basc D&D' books. Ahh, those were the days.
2016/02/09 11:23:00
Subject: GW new "build + paint" range, moving to models stores
Rountree was appointed Chief Executive Officer, so he's in charge of the company day to day.
Kirby is still Chairman of the Board, I believe. That won't be a full time position, and it's about advising rather than controlling, but he must still have a lot of influence and power especially as an important shareholder.
Kilkrazy wrote: To me, GW seem to have a schizophrenic view of their licensing partners. They eagerly take the fees paid for the RPGs and video games, but they don't seem to want to acknowledge officially that these non-GW published titles exist.
It's like GW have almost non-existent modern marketing skills. Perhaps their marketing people were all hired for attitude.
There's no cross-promotion, no merchandise, no tie-in figures or stuff.
In this Age of Rountree, there may well be some! (He seems to be doing a good job of running things at the moment, so who knows, right?)
Which is why I expect Kirby to fire him at any moment....
The Auld Grump
I thought Kirby took his golden parachute and went home, that's why Roundtree is in charge now.
Kirby is still Chairman, but no is no longer serving as CEO as well.
Expectation was high that Rountree would prove to be a sock puppet for Kirby - but so far, he is showing a lot more independence.
So far....
The Auld Grump - No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2016/02/13 20:43:15
Subject: Re:GW new "build + paint" range, moving to models stores
copy/pasted the text off the page in case they take it down:
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Battle for Vedros
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In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war! In the dying years of the 41st Millennium there is no peace amongst the stars, only brutal warfare and planetary conquest. The Battle for Vedros brings all the action onto your tabletop. You command armies of models in a game of daring, cunning and untold slaughter.
The Battle for Vedros Starter Set allows you to fight out battles between the mighty Space Marines and feral Orks. As well as great models for you to build and play with, it includes the tale of the invasion of Vedros and all the rules you need to play.
Once you have the Starter Set, you can also expand your collection with the other models and vehicles available (all their rules are in the Starter Set), whilst the Paint Set allows you to individualize your favourite models.
You will find all these reinforcements at your local store.
Building and modelling your own forces is part of the fun. The Starter Set models are easy to put together and means your forces can get into battle straight away! The models available in the other expansions present new and greater challenges, more models, more variety, more firepower!
Painting models is an exciting and fun hobby in and of itself. Whether you choose to replicate existing color schemes, or create fantastic new ones of your own, is completely up to you.
The Battle for Vedros Paint Set includes thirteen pots of paint, a paint brush (the paints are water-based acrylics, so you will only require water to wash the brush), and a step-by-step painting guide: everything you will need to paint your collection of Space Marines and Orks.
By following the easy steps listed within the painting guide, you’ll quickly achieve excellent results with your own models.
The Space Marines have arrived to crush an Ork invasion at the Battle for Vedros.
Outnumbered, they must fight for their lives if they are to stop the alien hordes. The Space Marines and the Orks are old enemies, and on Vedros a brutal battle to the death is about to erupt in which only one side will emerge alive and victorious.
This is a gaming experience unlike any other: a social event, part game, part storytelling as you become immersed in the world, shaping its destiny by your choices, risking the fate of entire worlds on the roll of the dice!
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war!
The Imperium of Man is a vast, sprawling empire that spans a million worlds. The Battle for Vedros is just part of the huge universe of Warhammer 40,000. There are thousands more models – more Space Marine Chapters and Ork clans, more armies of humans and aliens – hundreds of different paint colors, and more ways to model, paint and play games.
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Building: Follow assembly instructions carefully. Children should seek adult assistance when removing components from the frame, using appropriate tools. Many Battle for Vedros models require glue to assemble, and plastic cement glue appropriate for use by children aged 8 years and upwards should be used (again children should do so under the supervision of an adult).
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In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war! In the dying years of the 41st Millennium there is no peace amongst the stars, only brutal warfare and planetary conquest. The Battle for Vedros brings all the action onto your tabletop. You command armies of models in a game of daring, cunning and untold slaughter.
The Battle for Vedros Starter Set allows you to fight out battles between the mighty Space Marines and feral Orks. As well as great models for you to build and play with, it includes the tale of the invasion of Vedros and all the rules you need to play.
Monopose models, Rulebook, simplified rules (at least in the tutorial), no Mini-Rulebook like Dark Vengeance has. GW tape measure included? 8 D6 in the box
Looks like a great, entry-level product; it must be fake. The proof is really in the price. If they price this in true GW fashion and they sit next to comparable kits from other manufacturers, I think this venture will fail. If they price these competitively, they may have a winner. It all depends if they have realized that they have competition in model, toy, and hobby shops.
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2016/02/13 21:52:28
Subject: Re:GW new "build + paint" range, moving to models stores
Monopose models, Rulebook, simplified rules (at least in the tutorial), no Mini-Rulebook like Dark Vengeance has. GW tape measure included? 8 D6 in the box
agnosto wrote: Looks like a great, entry-level product; it must be fake. The proof is really in the price. If they price this in true GW fashion and they sit next to comparable kits from other manufacturers, I think this venture will fail. If they price these competitively, they may have a winner. It all depends if they have realized that they have competition in model, toy, and hobby shops.
As they're battle proven, simpler models you'd like to think GW would put them in the same price bracket as the Start Collecting boxes. After all, the initial outlay on the molds must have been recovered some time ago.
Monopose models, Rulebook, simplified rules (at least in the tutorial), no Mini-Rulebook like Dark Vengeance has. GW tape measure included? 8 D6 in the box
Monopose models, Rulebook, simplified rules (at least in the tutorial), no Mini-Rulebook like Dark Vengeance has. GW tape measure included? 8 D6 in the box
Looks like the starter uses custom rules (running is 4", may charge after rapid fire, Orks have their 6+ save despite being shot at by bolters and so on), or modified in such a way to teach new players what to look out for:
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2016/02/13 22:21:39
Subject: GW new "build + paint" range, moving to models stores
In the US GW is looking for "Toy Specialist Recruiter" and "Crafts Specialist Recruiter", I'm guessing they would be responsible for trying to get Toy and Craftstores to open accounts with GW with this new range opening up that seems to be marketed towards them.
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2016/02/13 23:26:39
Subject: GW new "build + paint" range, moving to models stores
That's actually not as surprising as you might think since they're trying to change the names of their stores to "Warhammer" instead of "Games Workshop".
2016/02/13 23:34:23
Subject: Re:GW new "build + paint" range, moving to models stores
I went to the Battle for Vedros webpage and watched the painting tutorials. They're using my color scheme for Ork skin and I am simply just flattered. I would really like to try getting this as a way of introducing friends/sibling to the hobby, and super simplified rules don't hurt, though I have no idea how balanced they are. I'll probably let them take marines so their chances are better
Bull0 wrote: It's definitely not a new sprue, those are the Assault on Black Reach push-fit models.
It seems like an eon ago, but I don't recall Black Reach having Mk4 legs.
Edit: Damn, you're right! I went and pulled my box out of the closet, and lo and behold, there's (one) torso with Mk4 legs :X
I stand corrected! At the time, I think I was in my Eldar or Tyranid phase, and didn't pay much attention to space marine models My black reach box isn't even 10% painted.
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ahhh happy days 
