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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 09:51:52
Subject: Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Telekinetics? Heh. Try taking Jedi mind control to its logical conclusion: In most cases, it would simply remove the need to fight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 10:34:10
Subject: Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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Stalwart Tribune
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I think it is because story. Like Yoda said, size do not matter with force, So basically Jedi would be capable to crush the death star or the star killer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 11:23:58
Subject: Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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In episode 2, Anakin levitates a fruit and disects is with the force.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 11:27:28
Subject: Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Draco wrote:I think it is because story. Like Yoda said, size do not matter with force, So basically Jedi would be capable to crush the death star or the star killer.
Absolutely. Jedi abilities are wildly inconsistent, and seem to vary in power if plot or rule of cool demands it. Take The Clone Wars. One episode you have a Jedi Master levitating ATTEs without much effort, next episode his leg gets trapped by some falling debris and he's out of the battle.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 17:49:30
Subject: Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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I think it's because it's not telekinesis .. it's telling the midiclorians to bring you your lightsaber, and they just don't feel like smushing people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 19:32:24
Subject: Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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Was there ever an explanation as to why none of the Jedi were able to "feel" that the clones were about to murder them? Other than Yoda and Obi-wan, that is?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 19:42:14
Subject: Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Breotan wrote:Was there ever an explanation as to why none of the Jedi were able to "feel" that the clones were about to murder them? Other than Yoda and Obi-wan, that is? Probably a combination of the growing presence of the Dark Side clouding their judgement, and the complacency that the Jedi had in their last years; a Clone betrayal probably never even occurred to them after 3 years of fighting alongside them; those that respected the Clones such as Obi-wan trusted their troops absolutely, those that did not considered them expendable cannon-fodder, not a threat. Add to that the fact that even the Clones didn't know what they were going to do until Palpatine issued Order 66, and it's not hard to see why the Jedi were unaware. I'd perhaps suggest even Yoda didn't sense the betrayal itself, so much as the deaths of that many Jedi at once and figured out the only likely cause for such a massive loss. And Obi-wan was completely unaware until they turned their guns on him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 20:59:19
Subject: Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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We also get the impression that many Jedi were not as strong as others in the force. A force user is better than a non-force user in many ways but they are not invulnerable and not all equal. With as many Jedi as there were I imagine most were not that powerful compared to people like Yoda, Mace Windu, Darth Vader, and the Emperor. I think it was set that either Vader or Luke had the most power overall, at least during the time of the movies. I imagine people like Revan where quite powerful but that was (roughly) a thousand of years prior.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 21:38:22
Subject: Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yeah, Jedi skills are also in different areas too. - EG diplomacy.
I suppose you could assume that, with things like switching the lightsaber off, affecting their fighter etc, in a Jedi VS Jedi fight, they would have enough personal awareness around them that they'd be able to 'sense' this sorts of interference and counter them on a subconscious level.
A bit like even a normal person would tend to have a sense of personal space / awareness around themselves, I imagine a jedi would have a similar thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/03 06:17:24
Subject: Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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-Loki- wrote:Vader did it in Empire, when he was fighting Luke. Luke went into the carbonite chamber, and Vader force pulled the lever.
Right you are, good point.
Still, there's a massive difference between a single, large lever in a static position, and a tiny button on a device that's all over the place because it's being wielded by a dude you're fighting at that very second.
Agent_Tremolo wrote:Telekinetics? Heh. Try taking Jedi mind control to its logical conclusion: In most cases, it would simply remove the need to fight.
If by extend you mean 'assume infinite limits to this power'. Surely the more sensible reading is to assume that the limits of the power are what was shown - limited people, have to have a weak mind etc...
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/03 22:58:17
Subject: Re:Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Why turn the lightsaber off when you could jerk it right out of their hands?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/03 23:04:07
Subject: Re:Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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AegisGrimm wrote:Why turn the lightsaber off when you could jerk it right out of their hands?
Because, liken the button, the other user is guarded against such things. Also, Sabers have been push and pulled when the other is unsuspecting, to some extent.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/03 23:33:42
Subject: Why doesn't telekinesis make sense in Star Wars?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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As shown in pretty much all of the SW films, games, books, whatever, using Telekinesis to move very heavy objects (like a body) requires several moments of intense concentration. Moments of intense concentration you aren't going to have when someone is actively attempting to kill you. It is possible to do it, provided one is sufficiently strong in the Force, but one needs time to channel the Force sufficiently, which isn't going to happen while locked in melee.
Even Vader only hurls relatively light-weight objects at Luke during their duel on Bespin, and does so from a relatively safe distance, permitting him to return to active fighting stance if Luke had managed to close the distance between them while he was pulling power converters off the wall.
However, there is simpler, more-direct uses of telekinesis (Force Push, Force Throw, etc) for the combat-oriented Jedi.
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