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So, I ordered two Dreadclaw Drop Pods off of ForgeWorld for my girlfriend's KDK army. I have the Imperial Armor 13 with the rules and it states that the Dreadclaw counts as a Fast Attack choice unless taken for a couple different choices. I'm wondering if I can use one for her Khorne Berzerker squad and it still be a dedicated troop transport, or are they technically not Chaos Space Marines? Obviously in friendly games, this doesn't really matter, but I want to fall in line with ITC, and I couldn't find anything on the subject.

Moved to 40k You Make Da Call

Well since it doesn't list Bezerkers as having option of taking it as a dedicated transport, no you can't.

You have to take is an an empty fast attack choice (in a CSM detachment since its not a KDK unit option)

Berserkers are indeed CSM.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Berserkers are indeed CSM.

No, Beserkers are Beserkers. Chaos Space Marines are their own unit entry on Pg95 of the codex

Berzerkers are units and models in several different Factions. The ones in the KDK faction do not have access to Dreadclaws as Dedicated Transports. In the base codex, they do not hav access to Dreadclaws as Dedicated Transports.

It is possible that one of the Forgeworld books will allow Dedicated Transport access to the Dreadclaw for Berzerkers, but I am not familiar with all of them.

There is a formation that i believe consists of 20 beserkers and a dreadclaw. So it wont effect your other detachments

BattleScribe lets you take DC as a transport for Berserkers I believe.

It is a Kharybdis Assault Claw with the 20 Bezerkers.


It has the Drop Pod abilities and the formation adds the ability to assault when you disembark out of deepstrike and if you scatter onto a vehicle the Kharybdis gets immobilized, but the vehicle takes a D hit. It also adds Blood for the blood god rule to the Kharybdis.

Ok, the exact wording is " The Dreadclaw may be taken as a Dedicated Transport for Chaos Space Marines and Chosen Squads". So, I guess that means I can only take them as a DT for the CSM entry in the KDK book.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
BattleScribe lets you take DC as a transport for Berserkers I believe.

Battle Scribe is not a codex and it has several errors. It's a useful tool but you should always look at what the actual books say.

 jokerkd wrote:
There is a formation that i believe consists of 20 beserkers and a dreadclaw. So it wont effect your other detachments

That's a Kharybdis Assault Claw, the huge version for over 200 points, the Dreadclaw only has a transport capacity of 10. And no, you may not take it as a dedicated transport for Berzerkers.

 Sweeping_Advance wrote:
Ok, the exact wording is " The Dreadclaw may be taken as a Dedicated Transport for Chaos Space Marines and Chosen Squads". So, I guess that means I can only take them as a DT for the CSM entry in the KDK book.

Not even that. IA13 refers to the CSM codex and the CSM codex alone in terms of marines. KDK can't use ANY of the IA13 stuff, at least not officially.
I have heard though, that they have stated that you can take stuff for KDK that can be khorne dedicated but then you MUST dedicate them, such as a Blood Slaughterer or a contemptor with dedication to khorne. In that case you STILL can't take a claw, as they can't be dedicated to khorne, with the exception of the kharybdis claw in that formation.

So if you want berserkers to be using a Claw, they have to either (1) be codex csm berserkers, (2) take the claw in a csm detachment and just use it as a taxi service since they are battlebrothers ,or (3) screw that noise and just use it anyway because it would be stupid not to seeing as how even forgeworld let them use the kharybdis in a formation. I don't see why anybody would contest that. Or at least anybody I care to play against.

Not even that. IA13 refers to the CSM codex and the CSM codex alone in terms of marines. KDK can't use ANY of the IA13 stuff, at least not officially.

Wow, I totally missed that. I guess I wasted $200. So, quickly do formations take up force organization slots? Could I max out my CAD then take a Charnel Cohort formation?

You can play an unbound list too.

 Sweeping_Advance wrote:

Not even that. IA13 refers to the CSM codex and the CSM codex alone in terms of marines. KDK can't use ANY of the IA13 stuff, at least not officially.

Wow, I totally missed that. I guess I wasted $200. So, quickly do formations take up force organization slots? Could I max out my CAD then take a Charnel Cohort formation?

Formations are separate from the Combined Arms Detachment (And separate from any detachment that I know of).

I do not know of any force organization slot that a formation would occupy.

I wanted to make her list tournament legal. I suppose I could swap it over to CSM and take a detachment of KDK.

That's a great combo !

 Sweeping_Advance wrote:
So, quickly do formations take up force organization slots? Could I max out my CAD then take a Charnel Cohort formation?

Let's see. Formations are Detachments. Formations do not have a Role. A Combined Arms Detachment's Force Organization Chart does not carry an Formation Choices, just choices based on Role such as HQ, Troops, Fortification, etc.

The Decurion, Gladius Strike Force, and other such detachments do allow Formations to be taken as certain Choices, such as Core, Command, and Auxiliary.