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Let's say its approaching the end of the game, you're down on VPs but way ahead on units, to the extent that I have sufficient firepower to table them in 1-2 turns guaranteed* as much as anything can be guaranteed in 40k, however his final unit is a shooting unit, tied up in melee with your shooting unit, and it's an eternal slugfest of fail that is unlikely to end in time. This was the case yesterday with my farseer and a few bikes tied up against tigurius and grav cents, so will use specific examples from there if necessary.

Which of these are valid options (assume tournament level of antisocialness), and add in any others you can think of.

1) Using look out sirs to make sure you take more wounds on models with poorer armour so are more likely to die, enabling you to lose more wounds in the fight and subsequent moral check.

2) Chucking as many psychic dice as you can into a useless power, and if you get any rerolls (farseer), reroll anything that isn't a perils (double benefit for sanctic) - dont use the warp change to ignore the wound

3) Attacking with suboptimal equipped weapons (shuriken pistols instead of witch blades to minimise wounding chances.

That's all I can think of, if anyone has any other options I'd love to hear.

Regards

T

How would 3) help your unit to die faster?

 Hanskrampf wrote:
How would 3) help your unit to die faster?

My guess is so that you do less wounds to your opponent and to let your unit take MORE wounds so as to fail a morale check and break.

Isnt there (or wasnt there) a trick with flamers where you could hit a primary unit but if it "clipped" a hth combat behind tough luck?
Cant recall it exactly.

 Ratius wrote:
Isnt there (or wasnt there) a trick with flamers where you could hit a primary unit but if it "clipped" a hth combat behind tough luck?
Cant recall it exactly.

I don't believe that works with flamers, but if a blast scattered on to a CC, that would work. I'm fairly certain that flamers aren't allowed to touch any part of one of your units also. Now there is a trick to firing a flamer at one unit, and hitting the unit behind it if it belongs to your opponent. You still have to try and hit as many targets as possible in the target unit though.

 Ratius wrote:
Isnt there (or wasnt there) a trick with flamers where you could hit a primary unit but if it "clipped" a hth combat behind tough luck?
Cant recall it exactly.

Not legal, at all. Blasts may scatter, a template may NOT be placed in the manner you described.

To OP - all those are totally legal. "how" you fight combat specifically is your choice.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Isnt there (or wasnt there) a trick with flamers where you could hit a primary unit but if it "clipped" a hth combat behind tough luck?
Cant recall it exactly.

Not legal, at all. Blasts may scatter, a template may NOT be placed in the manner you described.

A template can hit an enemy unit locked in CC, but clipping the cc unit has to merely be a consequence of placing the template to cover as many models as possible from the primary target, and you can't place a template in a way that it covers friendly models.

vundere wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Isnt there (or wasnt there) a trick with flamers where you could hit a primary unit but if it "clipped" a hth combat behind tough luck?
Cant recall it exactly.

Not legal, at all. Blasts may scatter, a template may NOT be placed in the manner you described.

A template can hit an enemy unit locked in CC, but clipping the cc unit has to merely be a consequence of placing the template to cover as many models as possible from the primary target, and you can't place a template in a way that it covers friendly models.

Wrong. Page 47, "locked in combat" , 2nd paragraph, 4th sentence:

" ..and templates cannot be deliberately placed such that they cover any models locked in combat..."

Hummm - nothing you can do. Trying to perils is about it - then again - if it's about acquiring as much victory points as possible at this point keeping that squad locked down is probably your best bet anyways.


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vundere wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Isnt there (or wasnt there) a trick with flamers where you could hit a primary unit but if it "clipped" a hth combat behind tough luck?
Cant recall it exactly.

Not legal, at all. Blasts may scatter, a template may NOT be placed in the manner you described.

A template can hit an enemy unit locked in CC, but clipping the cc unit has to merely be a consequence of placing the template to cover as many models as possible from the primary target, and you can't place a template in a way that it covers friendly models.

Good to know - the rules bender got me with this once and I didn't have time to look at the rule book. He said I couldn't shoot my flamer through his unit in CC to hit his fire dragons with a redeemer cannon. It was a pretty close game and him losing those dragons would have tipped it for me. Damn it all.

No, please read my page quote. YounCANNOT do as vundere claims. They are simply incorrect.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
No, please read my page quote. YounCANNOT do as vundere claims. They are simply incorrect.

Ah, the template section of the rulebook doesn't say anything about close combat, and your quote left out the first part of the sentence, and so I figured that the deliberately clause still left some wiggle room. My mistake.


Although HIWPI is allow enemy models in CC to be allowed to be hit if the only valid way to place the template would cover models from the unit, because the RAW seem a bit silly on this point.

The RAW makes perfect sense when you remember your static models are actually representing a swirling melee.

i seem to remember something about being able to use "beam" spells to nuke your own guys. With beams you dont target a unit, you mark a point and draw a line.

I was toying with a list where you use nurgle heralds to beam your own KDK cultists for blood tithes, while also pumping epidemius's tally.

Inquisitor Karamazov not only lets you target your own models, the blast won't scatter if you do. Even in death, I serve.

He's pretty much one of the only units that can reliably target their own people.