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So I'm know I'm going to be murdered for even suggesting a tau buff but I feel Farsight is poorly reflected in the crunch. In the fluff he is one of the best commanders the tau have ever had and an incredible warrior. But all he has over other regular commanders in +1 ws +2 I and pe orks. He is also unable to take any upgrades, being a named character. His signature weapon the dawn blade is and ancient relic that's let him live for 300 years, yet it ends up just a s5 ap 2 armor bane. While this is certainly not bad basic tac marines are only wounded on 3's, which is poor for a blade that can cleave tanks in two. It also completely omits any of its really power, being that the life span of every thing it kills is added to that of the user. I would like to see him to be buffed to have eternal warrior, and the dawn blade become s+1 with a rule that mean that for every unsaved wound roll d6 and on a 6 he gains 1 wound back. What do you guys think?

Edit: knew this was going to end badly, but man the hate is real!

I think as you say you are going to get murdered ..............

A weapon that is "only" S5 AP2 and armour bane - stirking at I IIRC - yeah thats soooo rubbish and something that many characters would not love.

Seriously..........

 Mr Morden wrote:
I think as you say you are going to get murdered ..............

A weapon that is "only" S5 AP2 and armour bane - stirking at I IIRC - yeah thats soooo rubbish and something that many characters would not love.

Seriously..........

I agree its not bad, but I feel it's no where near befitting for the fluff it's givein the current state.

xana666 wrote:
So I'm know I'm going to be murdered for even suggesting a tau buff but I feel Farsight is poorly reflected in the crunch. In the fluff he is one of the best commanders the tau have ever had and an incredible warrior. But all he has over other regular commanders in +1 ws +2 I and pe orks. He is also unable to take any upgrades, being a named character. His signature weapon the dawn blade is and ancient relic that's let him live for 300 years, yet it ends up just a s5 ap 2 armor bane. While this is certainly not bad basic tac marines are only wounded on 3's, which is poor for a blade that can cleave tanks in two. It also completely omits any of its really power, being that the life span of every thing it kills is added to that of the user. I would like to see him to be buffed to have eternal warrior, and the dawn blade become s+1 with a rule that mean that for every unsaved wound roll d6 and on a 6 he gains 1 wound back. What do you guys think?

You do not know what pure garbage is until you are a Chaos player...

You think Farsight is underpowered? Go look up Skarbrand.
The biggest, meanest, most psychotic rage monster of ALL of Khorne's Bloodthirsters, the ONE dude who had both the stones & stupidity to actually lash out and strike Khorne himself, and actually put a dent in his armour!
That crazy pants murder machine of unstoppable fury?!

He's 225pts of giving automatic First Blood to your opponent, and will only even make it into combat against a drooling idiot, since just walking away from him is all you need to outpace him.

Experiment 626 wrote:

xana666 wrote:
So I'm know I'm going to be murdered for even suggesting a tau buff but I feel Farsight is poorly reflected in the crunch. In the fluff he is one of the best commanders the tau have ever had and an incredible warrior. But all he has over other regular commanders in +1 ws +2 I and pe orks. He is also unable to take any upgrades, being a named character. His signature weapon the dawn blade is and ancient relic that's let him live for 300 years, yet it ends up just a s5 ap 2 armor bane. While this is certainly not bad basic tac marines are only wounded on 3's, which is poor for a blade that can cleave tanks in two. It also completely omits any of its really power, being that the life span of every thing it kills is added to that of the user. I would like to see him to be buffed to have eternal warrior, and the dawn blade become s+1 with a rule that mean that for every unsaved wound roll d6 and on a 6 he gains 1 wound back. What do you guys think?

You do not know what pure garbage is until you are a Chaos player...

You think Farsight is underpowered? Go look up Skarbrand.
The biggest, meanest, most psychotic rage monster of ALL of Khorne's Bloodthirsters, the ONE dude who had both the stones & stupidity to actually lash out and strike Khorne himself, and actually put a dent in his armour!
That crazy pants murder machine of unstoppable fury?!

He's 225pts of giving automatic First Blood to your opponent, and will only even make it into combat against a drooling idiot, since just walking away from him is all you need to outpace him.

I'm not saying he is bad, because he's not, this is just and idea. I agree with the unfair release schedule of the new codex and hope you chaos/ork/dark elder get an update soon. The new war zone fenris will include new chaos rules, one of which is an update for be'lakor and I presume some of the other characters.

Farsight's Dawnblade's stats are what they are for a reason - it's basically a Warscythe, which reflects its origins perfectly.

how about no, farsight ovessa and farasight enclaves shouldnt be in the game anymore (at most ill consider keeping ovessa around since they went to the trouble of a new model for him not too long ago). farsight as a supplement was a cruch meant to carry you to the current meta and your new codex and now it should go away, crisis suits as troops is such a strong army change by itself that it not even silly, you go from having some of the worst troops in the game to the best troops choices for ranged warfare. the crisis suit is too strong as is in the base tau codex, you dont need that rubbish, or the earth caste tech upgrades from farsight enclaves.

heres a better idea, how about we balance the tau by taking out farsight enclaves.

THEN we will talk about farsight becoming ridiculous again after the Gorgonzola that was farsight bombs are out of the way.

 ionusx wrote:
how about no, farsight ovessa and farasight enclaves shouldnt be in the game anymore (at most ill consider keeping ovessa around since they went to the trouble of a new model for him not too long ago). farsight as a supplement was a cruch meant to carry you to the current meta and your new codex and now it should go away, crisis suits as troops is such a strong army change by itself that it not even silly, you go from having some of the worst troops in the game to the best troops choices for ranged warfare. the crisis suit is too strong as is in the base tau codex, you dont need that rubbish, or the earth caste tech upgrades from farsight enclaves.

heres a better idea, how about we balance the tau by taking out farsight enclaves.

THEN we will talk about farsight becoming ridiculous again after the Gorgonzola that was farsight bombs are out of the way.

Woooh dude calm down. I actually don't see farsight enclaves that much. And as for crisis as suits they cost alot, they are 22 points Base with no guns and if you want 2 guns they are 52 points, that's a huge about for one troop model so the fact you can take so many is irrelevant. The ecpa is cannot be taken my regular riptides, only the guy who is part of the eight.

And as for taking farsight out of the game that's a bit stupid when you consider how important to the fluff he is, as well as the enclaves them selves.

Exactly how do you think he should he be "bffed" and how many extra points should he pay - cos too much cool stuff and he becomes Primarch level...........

The Dawnblade, as has been noted seems to be Necron weapon but whilst it keeps him alive, unaging and healthy, it does not turn him in to a demigod as far as I am aware - is there a specific area of the fluff where this is described?

Prince Yriel has the

The Spear of Twilight, which Yriel took to save Iyanden, is said to contain the energies of a dying sun. It is no normal weapon and is now eternally bound to Yriel as it slowly consumes his soul. Yriel constantly battles to stop the weapon from consuming him and in order to protect himself has taken a personal forcefield which allays the worst of the spear's affects.[1] He is also armed with the Eye of Wrath, a monocular device covering his left eye capable of unleashing a tempest of lightning upon unfortunate foes.

In the recent novel it behaves more like Stormbringer ! Draining souls to strenghten him and feed itself, turning on close friends when it can etc etc ..... and I am not sure it does anything like this in the current incarantion - even in the Eldar Ultimate Cheese Dex.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Exactly how do you think he should he be "bffed" and how many extra points should he pay - cos too much cool stuff and he becomes Primarch level...........

The Dawnblade, as has been noted seems to be Necron weapon but whilst it keeps him alive, unaging and healthy, it does not turn him in to a demigod as far as I am aware - is there a specific area of the fluff where this is described?

Prince Yriel has the

The Spear of Twilight, which Yriel took to save Iyanden, is said to contain the energies of a dying sun. It is no normal weapon and is now eternally bound to Yriel as it slowly consumes his soul. Yriel constantly battles to stop the weapon from consuming him and in order to protect himself has taken a personal forcefield which allays the worst of the spear's affects.[1] He is also armed with the Eye of Wrath, a monocular device covering his left eye capable of unleashing a tempest of lightning upon unfortunate foes.

In the recent novel it behaves more like Stormbringer ! Draining souls to strenghten him and feed itself, turning on close friends when it can etc etc ..... and I am not sure it does anything like this in the current incarantion - even in the Eldar Ultimate Cheese Dex.

As I said in the post, eternal warrior and the change to the dawn blade. Maybe make him 180/190 points, which is a bit more that a fully maxed commander.

xana666 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Exactly how do you think he should he be "bffed" and how many extra points should he pay - cos too much cool stuff and he becomes Primarch level...........

The Dawnblade, as has been noted seems to be Necron weapon but whilst it keeps him alive, unaging and healthy, it does not turn him in to a demigod as far as I am aware - is there a specific area of the fluff where this is described?

Prince Yriel has the

The Spear of Twilight, which Yriel took to save Iyanden, is said to contain the energies of a dying sun. It is no normal weapon and is now eternally bound to Yriel as it slowly consumes his soul. Yriel constantly battles to stop the weapon from consuming him and in order to protect himself has taken a personal forcefield which allays the worst of the spear's affects.[1] He is also armed with the Eye of Wrath, a monocular device covering his left eye capable of unleashing a tempest of lightning upon unfortunate foes.

In the recent novel it behaves more like Stormbringer ! Draining souls to strenghten him and feed itself, turning on close friends when it can etc etc ..... and I am not sure it does anything like this in the current incarantion - even in the Eldar Ultimate Cheese Dex.

As I said in the post, eternal warrior and the change to the dawn blade. Maybe make him 180/190 points, which is a bit more that a fully maxed commander.

Thats a huge buff - Eternal Warrior is rare these days. Again where does it say he gains actual strength and healing in the fluff - I understood it mainly stopped him from aging?

The Dawnblade "Adds the stolen years from those it kills to his life."

So actually, Farsight still ages - he just won't die of old age until he runs out of stolen vitality.

That's the real reason he never leaves his suit - he's so old now that he's a 1' tall gnome who's so weak he can't even chew.

All he needs is T5 and Eternal Warrior

Just EW should be fine.

I'm Ok with him having EW. As a marine player even I think it's BS that I can buy it for a my no name captain but Iconic characters can still be punked by missiles

It isn't the fact that Farsight is a named character, but it is the fact he has a sword that kinda steals souls.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I'm Ok with him having EW. As a marine player even I think it's BS that I can buy it for a my no name captain but Iconic characters can still be punked by missiles

Agreed, it's one of the worst things about commanders, t4 means that one lascannon and he's gone, I'm relying on a 4++ to save my 180 point he for disappearing.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't the fact that Farsight is a named character, but it is the fact he has a sword that kinda steals souls.

That's why I don't like the dawn blades rules, it should have something that reflects it power.

Its rules do reflect its abilities though. The only thing it does aside from normal Necron melee weapon things is transfer years of life. It doesn't heal injuries. It doesn't steal souls. It just adds the remaining lifespan that its victim would have had if they hadn't been killed violently to the life span of its wielder.

He needs EW for sure and I think he should be allowed to take upgrades. I think his blade his fine.

xana666 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I'm Ok with him having EW. As a marine player even I think it's BS that I can buy it for a my no name captain but Iconic characters can still be punked by missiles

Agreed, it's one of the worst things about commanders, t4 means that one lascannon and he's gone, I'm relying on a 4++ to save my 180 point he for disappearing.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't the fact that Farsight is a named character, but it is the fact he has a sword that kinda steals souls.

That's why I don't like the dawn blades rules, it should have something that reflects it power.

Other armies have T3 commanders with more of a problem..................

 Gamgee wrote:
He needs EW for sure and I think he should be allowed to take upgrades. I think his blade his fine.

Only if all other Special Characters get the same.

The issue with T3 characters is that there isn't a generic Relic list with one giving EW.

You add that and SUDDENLY there's far less complaints.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The issue with T3 characters is that there isn't a generic Relic list with one giving EW.

You add that and SUDDENLY there's far less complaints.

In my Sisters army I can take a single relic - unlike some armies who can take more than one - so yes we can get EW but nothing else.

What I can;t do is give say St Celestine the EW relic - I can;t think of any SC that can take upgrades as is being asked for Farsight?

 Mr Morden wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The issue with T3 characters is that there isn't a generic Relic list with one giving EW.

You add that and SUDDENLY there's far less complaints.

In my Sisters army I can take a single relic - unlike some armies who can take more than one - so yes we can get EW but nothing else.

What I can;t do is give say St Celestine the EW relic - I can;t think of any SC that can take upgrades as is being asked for Farsight?

The Solitaire is a sort of psuedo--special character and can take haywire grenades plus one of two relics - only one I can think of though and probably doesn't really count.

Well Belial has weapon options for free i might add. The whole point is that SC's are what they are Farsight is particulalry giid as he is why change him.

Farsight isn't "particularly good". He's okay at best.

If there's anyone in the Tau codex that deserves EW, it would be Farsight. Would make him a strong HQ that you don't have to worry about being instagibbed short of D weapons and stomps.

Farsight is just fine the way he is. His fluff and point cost do not justify a buff of any kind.
All who suggest otherwise have revealed themselves as disheveled Tau sympathisers and must be purged with extreme prejudice.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Farsight is just fine the way he is. His fluff and point cost do not justify a buff of any kind.
All who suggest otherwise have revealed themselves as disheveled Tau sympathisers and must be purged with extreme prejudice.

I think your image of an Tau allied governor is a little off.
Trade deals, they make the world go round.

Iridium armour and EW is all he needs

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't the fact that Farsight is a named character, but it is the fact he has a sword that kinda steals souls.

You mean like Lucius the Eternal's armor? If 'the eternal' doesn't get Eternal Warrior, there's little reasoning why some vampire blade can protect an old tau dude from a rocket to the face. Farsight is not epic enough to get Eternal Warrior.