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commander dante wrote:
Iridium armour and EW is all he needs

Like loads of other characters...........you have to do them all or none

Farsights blade appears to use the souls fo the dead to stop him aging - thats its - unless there is actual fluff people are refrencing here to try and power up their own special snowlfake character.

This reminds me of that old meme with the guy ranting for paragraphs about how katanas are underpowered in D&D.

As rad a dude as Farsight is (the most rad by far, eat it Shadowsun!) he's still piloting a crisis suit, his stat line and rules are based on that.

Even if the Dawnblade did make the tau inside immortal or heal his wounds, it can't fix the suit's exploded jump pack or severed arms.

maybe in eighth GW could add in the rulebook that the 'Unique' designation confers Eternal Warrior?

 Captain Joystick wrote:
This reminds me of that old meme with the guy ranting for paragraphs about how katanas are underpowered in D&D.

As rad a dude as Farsight is (the most rad by far, eat it Shadowsun!) he's still piloting a crisis suit, his stat line and rules are based on that.

Even if the Dawnblade did make the tau inside immortal or heal his wounds, it can't fix the suit's exploded jump pack or severed arms.

Indeed - I have a limited knowledge of Katana's as have been doing Shinkendo for three years and whilst they are impressive you also have to be careful with them so that you don't break them if you do have to parry - we are now looking at how you parry with the back of the blade to try and reduce this chance. I don't recall many D+D games looking at this -especially if you mix different cultural weapon types.

If anything to fit the fluff Farsight just needs - "Life-thief" : Every living model slain by this model in close combat adds 10 years to his natural life span.

I could go with all SC's have Eternal Warrior.................forging the narrative..............

 koooaei wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't the fact that Farsight is a named character, but it is the fact he has a sword that kinda steals souls.

You mean like Lucius the Eternal's armor? If 'the eternal' doesn't get Eternal Warrior, there's little reasoning why some vampire blade can protect an old tau dude from a rocket to the face. Farsight is not epic enough to get Eternal Warrior.

This isn't a CSM thread, and therefore it wasn't needed to be brought up. I agree the 4 bad enough dudes to rescue the president (Typhus, Kharn, Ahriman, and Lucius) need it. Plus those characters just need some intense rewriting.

Also Farsight is plenty epic enough compared to Lucius!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't the fact that Farsight is a named character, but it is the fact he has a sword that kinda steals souls.

You mean like Lucius the Eternal's armor? If 'the eternal' doesn't get Eternal Warrior, there's little reasoning why some vampire blade can protect an old tau dude from a rocket to the face. Farsight is not epic enough to get Eternal Warrior.

This isn't a CSM thread, and therefore it wasn't needed to be brought up. I agree the 4 bad enough dudes to rescue the president (Typhus, Kharn, Ahriman, and Lucius) need it. Plus those characters just need some intense rewriting.

Also Farsight is plenty epic enough compared to Lucius!

Yes, but if characters who are actually blessed by deities and one of whom it LITERALLY called the Eternal, why does a Tau with a sword which only enhances his "natural" life get it. Other than power creep, that is. Plus, Lucius, a master duellist of a Legion famed for their duelling skills, and who has genuine active protection from a WARP GOD not being as epic as Farsight?

You can't just ignore that point because it's not a CSM thread, because I could bring it up with nearly every special character from every faction. Pedro Kantor, master of the Crimson Fists, less survivable than a 10th Company Captain from a 34th Founding Chapter with the Shield Eternal. Does it make sense? Hell no.

Instead, I'd implement the Unique rule giving all characters EW by default.
Might make them a little more worth taking over the ubiquitous Shield Eternal/Chains of the Gorgon chpater masters, and suchlike.

doesn't Lucius still have the bit of fluff that says that anyone who kills him turns into him?

Of course, the solution to that sort of transmogrification seemed to be really self evident to me, 'Please Commissar, please don **BLAM**'

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't the fact that Farsight is a named character, but it is the fact he has a sword that kinda steals souls.

You mean like Lucius the Eternal's armor? If 'the eternal' doesn't get Eternal Warrior, there's little reasoning why some vampire blade can protect an old tau dude from a rocket to the face. Farsight is not epic enough to get Eternal Warrior.

This isn't a CSM thread, and therefore it wasn't needed to be brought up. I agree the 4 bad enough dudes to rescue the president (Typhus, Kharn, Ahriman, and Lucius) need it. Plus those characters just need some intense rewriting.

Also Farsight is plenty epic enough compared to Lucius!

Its relevant because otherwise this is just a thread saying - I love "this model" in MY army - screw everyone else I want special treament for MY model In MY army.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't the fact that Farsight is a named character, but it is the fact he has a sword that kinda steals souls.

You mean like Lucius the Eternal's armor? If 'the eternal' doesn't get Eternal Warrior, there's little reasoning why some vampire blade can protect an old tau dude from a rocket to the face. Farsight is not epic enough to get Eternal Warrior.

This isn't a CSM thread, and therefore it wasn't needed to be brought up. I agree the 4 bad enough dudes to rescue the president (Typhus, Kharn, Ahriman, and Lucius) need it. Plus those characters just need some intense rewriting.

Also Farsight is plenty epic enough compared to Lucius!

Its relevant because otherwise this is just a thread saying - I love "this model" in MY army - screw everyone else I want special treament for MY model In MY army.

I play CSM though.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Indeed - I have a limited knowledge of Katana's as have been doing Shinkendo for three years and whilst they are impressive you also have to be careful with them so that you don't break them if you do have to parry - we are now looking at how you parry with the back of the blade to try and reduce this chance. I don't recall many D+D games looking at this -especially if you mix different cultural weapon types.

Well, you got to take into account that katanas were not a primary weapon but a sidesword. Basically, a backup weapon. Katanas didn't need to be amazing to do the job as 99% of the time they were using spears and bows.

I doubt it farsight's soul-drinking katana needs to worry about being bent as it's probably made out of sturdier material.

 koooaei wrote:
Farsight is not epic enough to get Eternal Warrior.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't the fact that Farsight is a named character, but it is the fact he has a sword that kinda steals souls.

You mean like Lucius the Eternal's armor? If 'the eternal' doesn't get Eternal Warrior, there's little reasoning why some vampire blade can protect an old tau dude from a rocket to the face. Farsight is not epic enough to get Eternal Warrior.

This isn't a CSM thread, and therefore it wasn't needed to be brought up. I agree the 4 bad enough dudes to rescue the president (Typhus, Kharn, Ahriman, and Lucius) need it. Plus those characters just need some intense rewriting.

Also Farsight is plenty epic enough compared to Lucius!

Its relevant because otherwise this is just a thread saying - I love "this model" in MY army - screw everyone else I want special treament for MY model In MY army.

I play CSM though.

The ppint still stands - why should one armies SC get super special treatment and not the others?

 Mr Morden wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't the fact that Farsight is a named character, but it is the fact he has a sword that kinda steals souls.

You mean like Lucius the Eternal's armor? If 'the eternal' doesn't get Eternal Warrior, there's little reasoning why some vampire blade can protect an old tau dude from a rocket to the face. Farsight is not epic enough to get Eternal Warrior.

This isn't a CSM thread, and therefore it wasn't needed to be brought up. I agree the 4 bad enough dudes to rescue the president (Typhus, Kharn, Ahriman, and Lucius) need it. Plus those characters just need some intense rewriting.

Also Farsight is plenty epic enough compared to Lucius!

Its relevant because otherwise this is just a thread saying - I love "this model" in MY army - screw everyone else I want special treament for MY model In MY army.

I play CSM though.

The ppint still stands - why should one armies SC get super special treatment and not the others?

I wasn't saying they shouldn't have the same treatment. I was saying that this was a "Buff Farsight" thread.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't the fact that Farsight is a named character, but it is the fact he has a sword that kinda steals souls.

You mean like Lucius the Eternal's armor? If 'the eternal' doesn't get Eternal Warrior, there's little reasoning why some vampire blade can protect an old tau dude from a rocket to the face. Farsight is not epic enough to get Eternal Warrior.

This isn't a CSM thread, and therefore it wasn't needed to be brought up. I agree the 4 bad enough dudes to rescue the president (Typhus, Kharn, Ahriman, and Lucius) need it. Plus those characters just need some intense rewriting.

Also Farsight is plenty epic enough compared to Lucius!

Its relevant because otherwise this is just a thread saying - I love "this model" in MY army - screw everyone else I want special treament for MY model In MY army.

I play CSM though.

The ppint still stands - why should one armies SC get super special treatment and not the others?

I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who didn't agree that all Unique Characters should have EW. These are the "heroes" of their age. In the fluff the only way any of these people have died is by facing off against one of the other major players. The most recent of which was the Chapter Master of the Ravenguard who didn't even have his own rules, and Aun'Va who well.. Aun'Va should have never had a model other than for collection purposes.

I have said for a damn long time that EW needs to be easier to access for all armies. Nothing is more demoralizing than a commander who gets punked by a single shot. Honestly I am a little surprised Farsight didn't have EW.

I personally don't think "normal" characters shouldn't have EW or access to it. I know it seems that your generic Chapter Master should be the end all beat all of his chapter and stat wise he is, but hes still not Calgar or Shrike. If you want him to be one of those two guys, make him a count as and use their rules/equipment. EW should be a trait of the named characters only.

EW should be a standard relic for every faction and standard on named characters. 40k is about epic stories, and there is nothing epic about getting put down by a krak shot.

I think there should be no EW at all. The fact that he's Calgar doesn't mean he should be able to survive orbital bombardment.

 koooaei wrote:
I think there should be no EW at all. The fact that he's Calgar doesn't mean he should be able to survive orbital bombardment.

How about a reasonable alternative. We make orbital bombardments D weapons

I feel like I'm jumping in late but hey...

Farsights sword only gives him the years those he slays could have had. So if you're gonna die naturally when you're 84 and he kills you when you're 44, 40 years would be added to his life. For all other purposes he is completely mortal, he can bleed and get ill just like any other Tau.

The one thing I will say is why don't Farsight and Shadowsun have Puretide Engram Neuro-chips or equivalent? You'd think the 2 greatest students of Puretide would be able to use those skills.

Taffy17 wrote:
I feel like I'm jumping in late but hey...

Farsights sword only gives him the years those he slays could have had. So if you're gonna die naturally when you're 84 and he kills you when you're 44, 40 years would be added to his life. For all other purposes he is completely mortal, he can bleed and get ill just like any other Tau.

The one thing I will say is why don't Farsight and Shadowsun have Puretide Engram Neuro-chips or equivalent? You'd think the 2 greatest students of Puretide would be able to use those skills.

EW doesn't mean that they can't die, it's basically a form of plot armour. Look at other characters with it, they aren't immortal.

Characters like Calgar and Dante, with EW, all have a long list of very impressive scalps they've taken and battles they've survived. Farsight hasn't really got the same CV.

He's survives 2 assassination attempts in mont'ka but that's only because he had the 8 with him. And he's killed a load of orks and daemons which most characters with EW do on a weekend.

I love farsight but i don't think he needs EW. Stick him in a 9 man crisis team with fusions and target locks and MSS and CCN, deepstrike him in the middle of you're opponents army, kill everything. He's really not that bad IMO.

I'd very much be in favour of all named characters getting Endless Warrior, whether it's Farsight, Shadowsun, the Swarmlord or Lelith Hesperax.

A question for those who say that every character should have Eternal Warrior - are there any characters that would be 'broken' with it?

I was thinking initially Straken or Creed, as there is a command squad wrapped around them anyway, but then I realize that that is likely what people would do with IC ones as well. Your thoughts?

No EW unless youre a SC, frankly. Make EW truly special, and not just every SM CM who buys a funky shield.

I don't think every named character needs EW, but every codex should have access to 1 named character who does have it, and hopefully it makes sense.
with the fluff change (spoilers), aun'va is dead so he shouldn't have it, but prior to that, it could have made sense as the grand glorious leader of the entire empire. Even if i didn't want him to have it.
Farsight makes the most sense of tau units remaining.

Short version, every codex should have at least 1 EW named character. I suppose you can have more, but being a named character shouldn't be auto EW.