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Once again frontline makes way for more of the same! Their key rulings assured that the status quo would be maintained for another yawn year.

Here are the armies in order of place

first (and to no ones suprise) white scars gladius force.
second eldar (not quite as cheezy as possible)
third demons (probably as optimized as possible at the moment)
fourth eldar + corpsthief, presumably to self nerf because he felt he could.
fifth standard necron decursion
sixth oh hey its eldar
seventh necrons WITH A MONOLITH!
eighth thunderwolves starring the superfriends.

so if we lump marines together, we have marines, eldar, necrons, and demons. See you all next year.

Bonus: link to the actual lists in case you want an unbiased look. Also grats to steve. He was my favorite to take it, seems like everyone was thinking pajamapants was going to win it this year though.

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/02/07/lvo-40k-championships-day-3-live-blog/

Don't use their rules? Vote against next time. Write THEM a letter.

Seriously, calm down man. I was at the LVO this year, and there were plenty of Tau players. In fact, a couple of them barely missed the top 8. I'm sure that when they have time, Frontline will put together a vote, and you (along with everyone else) can make your voice heard. In the meantime, we had a tournament to play, and you missed out on an incredible time.

You do neglect to mention multiple tau players who just barely missed out on the top 8, but that doesn't fit the narrative. Either way, do we need another thread where the same five Tau players complain about everything?

The LVO was an awesome event, and it's hard to argue with the success of the largest 40k tournament ever run, which is also leading a phenominally successful tournament circuit.

Misleading title is Misleading
i am also suprised to see daemons up there in the top 3

Oh look, ANOTHER thread trying to justify Tau not being OP. Just because your army can be beaten by the cheesiest of the cheese does not make it any less OP.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Oh look, ANOTHER thread trying to justify Tau not being OP. Just because your army can be beaten by the cheesiest of the cheese does not make it any less OP.

Seriously? Tau are strong but they are no stronger then some of the shenanigans that the other top tier Codexs can do, every army has their own flavor of strong builds or "cheese" as you call it. And complaining about Tau players annoyed with recent ITC rulings is not helping the discussion either so might want to keep that in mind.

 gmaleron wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Oh look, ANOTHER thread trying to justify Tau not being OP. Just because your army can be beaten by the cheesiest of the cheese does not make it any less OP.

Seriously? Tau are strong but they are no stronger then some of the shenanigans that the other top tier Codexs can do, every army has their own flavor of cheese. And complaining about Tau players annoyed with recent ITC rulings is not helping the discussion either.

Which is exactly my point. Tau are no stronger than the other top tier codexes. But they aren't any weaker either(other than Eldar, but so is everyone else). Meanwhile the gulf between the top tier and middle and bottom tier codexes is pretty vast, so seeing players of a top tier codex crying at every opportunity about how terrible the situation their codex is in has gotten really old.

Taking zero is a bit a surprise. The codex is very strong. But you need a mobile force to win objective based missions. This is where Tau is a bit lacking.

So there's five different armies in the top 8 and this is somehow proof that ITC hates diversity? Do you even reflect on what you post?

That’s really disappointing, A Tau player getting into the top 8 with the recent ITC rulings would really have helped build up some confidence that Tau can still get the job done and compete with the traditional ‘cheese’ of Marines, Eldar and Necrons (awesome stuff with the monolith btw!). As it stands it’s very easy to justify some of the venom that our more vocal Tau posters are putting out there; all I can hope for in this situation is that Tau place highly at the top tables at other ITC events or that another vote on the current ruling yields more favorable results for the fish/horse people…

In addendum: It might be worth altering the title of this thread to avoid the wraith of Alpharius and friends.

A single tournament can often come down to when top players meet in the brackets and in games like 40K the roll of the dice can make or break a close game. Shouting that they sky is falling because Tau didn't make the top 8 (which from what I'm reading they did place very close to 8) seems really short sighted. If Tau was representing the bottom 10% of the field then there would be something to talk about but in a major tournament pulling top players from multiple countries its very likely a tier 1 army won't make the top 8. War Convocation didn't make the top 8 but that says nothing about how strong an army that is.

 Torus wrote:
That’s really disappointing, A Tau player getting into the top 8 with the recent ITC rulings would really have helped build up some confidence that Tau can still get the job done and compete with the traditional ‘cheese’ of Marines, Eldar and Necrons (awesome stuff with the monolith btw!). As it stands it’s very easy to justify some of the venom that our more vocal Tau posters are putting out there; all I can hope for in this situation is that Tau place highly at the top tables at other ITC events or that another vote on the current ruling yields more favorable results for the fish/horse people…

In addendum: It might be worth altering the title of this thread to avoid the wraith of Alpharius and friends.

One player went full undefeated, 4W2D0L. Only the points kept him from getting in to Top 8. Tau are are hardly struggling. They just suffer in Maelstrom missions where mobility is key.


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 Vankraken wrote:
A single tournament can often come down to when top players meet in the brackets and in games like 40K the roll of the dice can make or break a close game. Shouting that they sky is falling because Tau didn't make the top 8 (which from what I'm reading they did place very close to 8) seems really short sighted. If Tau was representing the bottom 10% of the field then there would be something to talk about but in a major tournament pulling top players from multiple countries its very likely a tier 1 army won't make the top 8. War Convocation didn't make the top 8 but that says nothing about how strong an army that is.

Exalted.

Tau especially suffer in Maelstrom missions because of their lack of mobility (aside from relying on JSJ or Devilfish Flat Outs). I believe that's what kept several Tau players out of Top 8.

Working off this source (http://bcp.modelingforadvantage.com/event/lvo2016), here are the top 32 armies (more or less 10%).

Eldar - 6
Space Marines - 4
Tau - 4
Renegades - 4
Dark Angels - 3
Necrons - 3
Mechanicus - 2
Chaos Daemons - 2
CSM - 1
Grey Knights - 1
Sororitas - 1
Inquisition - 1

And just for fun, here is the representation among the bottom 32 (who played 6 complete games):

Necrons - 5
Space Marines - 4
Chaos Daemons - 4
Space Wolves - 3
Blood Angels - 2
Tau - 2
Tyranids - 2
KDK - 2
Astra Militarum - 2
Mechanicus - 1
CSM - 1
Grey Knights - 1
Sororitas - 1
Orks - 1
DE - 1

You're still missing 80% of the tournament and knowledge of why things worked out that way, so don't jump to conclusions too quickly.

Yoyoyo wrote:
Working off this source (http://bcp.modelingforadvantage.com/event/lvo2016), here are the top 32 armies (more or less 10%).

Eldar - 6
Space Marines - 4
Tau - 4
Renegades - 4
Dark Angels - 3
Necrons - 3
Mechanicus - 2
Chaos Daemons - 2
CSM - 1
Grey Knights - 1
Sororitas - 1
Inquisition - 1

And just for fun, here is the representation among the bottom 32 (who played 6 complete games):

Necrons - 5
Space Marines - 4
Chaos Daemons - 4
Space Wolves - 3
Blood Angels - 2
Tau - 2
Tyranids - 2
KDK - 2
Astra Militarum - 2
Mechanicus - 1
CSM - 1
Grey Knights - 1
Sororitas - 1
Orks - 1
DE - 1

You're still missing 80% of the tournament and knowledge of why things worked out that way, so don't jump to conclusions too quickly.

Interesting. So taking the total, there's 6 Tau to 6 Eldar. I'd be interested to see the full breakout, but I know we may not get that data.

How many players total per faction?
You need to know that before any number means anything.

how was the white scars player able to field 210 more points than anyone else? I totaled up 3 of the lists, and while the 2nd & 3rd lists came to under 1850, the scars list was 2060?

was something supposed to be free, or was there a math error on FLG's part?

Akiasura wrote:
How many players total per faction?
You need to know that before any number means anything.

54 Space Marines
50 Eldar
22 Tau
21 Necrons
20 Daemons
16 Cult Mechanicus
11 Dark Angels
7 Grey Knights

You can grab the rest yourself from the link there - http://bcp.modelingforadvantage.com/event/lvo2016

So nearly 20% of Tau entrants got in the top 10% of results. ITC clearly made Tau awful Meanwhile 12% of Eldar got in top 10% of results.

 carldooley wrote:
how was the white scars player able to field 210 more points than anyone else? I totaled up 3 of the lists, and while the 2nd & 3rd lists came to under 1850, the scars list was 2060?

was something supposed to be free, or was there a math error on FLG's part?

If the WS player brought a gladius, the transports are free. It is just the upgrades that cost stuff. So all the DT were free.

Considering the representation after a quick scan of the list, I'm not surprised Eldar had so many top rankings. It seems 20% or so players were Eldar and another 20% were marines. You'd expect them to make up a significant portion of the top 16 while tau and necron make up a bit less just based on that.

Interesting numbers, thanks for posting a source.

 carldooley wrote:
how was the white scars player able to field 210 more points than anyone else? I totaled up 3 of the lists, and while the 2nd & 3rd lists came to under 1850, the scars list was 2060?

was something supposed to be free, or was there a math error on FLG's part?

Transports are free due to the formation

To put my earlier post in perspective... there were SEVEN Renegades lists, and 4 made it into top 10%.

Nerf Chaos.

 Torus wrote:
In addendum: It might be worth altering the title of this thread to avoid the wraith of Alpharius and friends.

Indeed

Title is edited, let's try to avoid inflammatory statements and just discuss the available data from the event. Thanks to Frontline for making it available so quickly!

Oh yeah, I forgot frontline advertises on dakka.

 Orock wrote:
Once again frontline makes way for more of the same! Their key rulings assured that the status quo would be maintained for another yawn year.

Here are the armies in order of place

first (and to no ones suprise) white scars gladius force.
second eldar (not quite as cheezy as possible)
third demons (probably as optimized as possible at the moment)
fourth eldar + corpsthief, presumably to self nerf because he felt he could.
fifth standard necron decursion
sixth oh hey its eldar
seventh necrons WITH A MONOLITH!
eighth thunderwolves starring the superfriends.

so if we lump marines together, we have marines, eldar, necrons, and demons. See you all next year.

Bonus: link to the actual lists in case you want an unbiased look. Also grats to steve. He was my favorite to take it, seems like everyone was thinking pajamapants was going to win it this year though.

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/02/07/lvo-40k-championships-day-3-live-blog/

I'm confused. The link you posted I could only find the top 8 which are the ones you listed, but in the modelingforadvantage link people have posted, the top 8 are eldar/eldar/SM/CD/N/E/N/N.

I assume that the FLG link ranking are correct, but I'd be curious to know the an accurate and complete listing - I know some people who went, wanted to see how they did.

Yep another yawn year with an amazing turn out, and a series of exciting and close games in the top 8.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I'm confused. The link you posted I could only find the top 8 which are the ones you listed, but in the modelingforadvantage link people have posted, the top 8 are eldar/eldar/SM/CD/N/E/N/N.

It's because the points and the brackets don't exactly correspond.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss-system_tournament

 Orock wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot frontline advertises on dakka.

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Yoyoyo wrote:

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I'm confused. The link you posted I could only find the top 8 which are the ones you listed, but in the modelingforadvantage link people have posted, the top 8 are eldar/eldar/SM/CD/N/E/N/N.

It's because the points and the brackets don't exactly correspond.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss-system_tournament

Huh. So, is there a list of the LVO entrants by rank, instead of points? It doesn't seem to make much sense to list them by order of points when that doesn't actually indicate who came in 1st, 2nd, etc.

 1PlusLogan wrote:
To put my earlier post in perspective... there were SEVEN Renegades lists, and 4 made it into top 10%.

Nerf Chaos.

Remember to specify - nerf FW Chaos, and maybe also Summoning & flying Nurgle Princes while we're at it. That'll put Chaos back in it's rightful place!