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Hey mates, still working on my Mechanized Infantry list and I am liking the idea of fielding the DKOK Grenadier Assault Brigade as one variation of it. With that being said, for my Flyer I am currently debating between the Thunderbolt and the Average Strike Fighter, as the DKOK Grenadier list does not have access to the Vendetta Gunship. 2x things very quickly about the flyers.

1. Can I use the rules of the flyer found in the Army List itself, or do I have to use or is there any generic rules for both of them in 7th edition? If so, can someone share me a link if where I could find those rules if that is the case.

2. Which do you prefer and why? Basically, my list will be a bunch of Storm Chimeras with Grenadiers inside them, supported by either 2x Demolisher Tanks/Leman Russ Varient or 2x Thunderer Tanks. Currently leaning towards the Thunderbolt, as not only does it have 3HP, it comes with 2x Twin-Linked Autocannons and a Twin-Linked Lascannon base, which is pretty solid for the most part.

However I am willing to listen to others opinions so feel free to share. Personally like the Thunderbolt due to it being more durable but I do like the Averager Strike Fighter for its Cannon, just hate the fact that it has only 2HP, if that is true anyways.

You should use the version in your army list unless you can find as n updated version that says your list can take it (I'm pretty sure that there isn't one)

With the current rule set the many shots of the Avengers canon means that its better at killing almost everything compared to the thunderbolt.

Avenger is dedicated ground attack plane with BS4 against ground targets and can be easily kitted against specific foe.
so I would pick Avenger if you are the one who dominates the skies.
If you know that opponent will take flyers, take Thunderbolt and shoot them down.

My tactics with Avenger (when it can be thretened) is to shoot the most suitable target and then rush to ongoing reserves. Next turn the plane comes back and "brrrrrrrrrt"s on again.
If the skies are clear, stay on the table as long as possible.

Also note that Avenger's Lascannons are not T-L. You have two separate weaons.

Appreciate the replies so far mates. However, if I go with the Avenger Strike Fighter, do I use the rules for it in the ABG or would I have to follow a different set of rules? Only really matter to me as the Avenger Strike Fighter has 3HP with this particular DKOK list.

As for my list, currently planning to have/field:

* 7x Storm Chimeras w/Autocannon Turret, Hvy. Flamer and PM Hvy. Stubber.

* 2x Thunderer Tanks w/Demolisher Cannon, PM Hvy.Stubber (Or a Leman Russ Varient).

* 4x to 6x Squads of Grenadiers w/2x Meltaguns (might do 4x Squadsof Grenadiers and 2x Squads of Engineers in the Chimeras depending on points).

* Command Squad/Engineer Squad (depends if the DKOK Special Character is am IC).

From looking at this list, would you still say the Avenger Strike Fighter is the way to go, or would the Thunderbolt be a good choice?

From FW website:
"Full rules for the Avenger can be found in Imperial Armour Aeronautica" and Aeronautica says it has 2HPs.

 Hawky wrote:
From FW website:
"Full rules for the Avenger can be found in Imperial Armour Aeronautica" and Aeronautica says it has 2HPs.

That version is only for Codex: Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle (say it right there on the datasheet). He needs to use the version that's in his army list.

If that's the case then the Avenger Strike Fighter is definitely a serious consideration. But even then when I look at my list, I can still see how the Thunderbolt would be a solid option as well.

The 3 HP is a typo, it should be 2 HP (and the Thunderbolt should have 3 HP).

The correct choice, by far, is the Avenger. It has much better firepower, and the lower durability isn't that big a deal when your alpha strike is that good and the Thunderbolt isn't all that much harder to kill.

 Peregrine wrote:
The 3 HP is a typo, it should be 2 HP (and the Thunderbolt should have 3 HP).

The correct choice, by far, is the Avenger. It has much better firepower, and the lower durability isn't that big a deal when your alpha strike is that good and the Thunderbolt isn't all that much harder to kill.

Good points, but in my experience 2HP doesn't do much and there have been times when having 3HP has saved my tail with my Valkyries. And although you say it's a typo, in this case if the DKOK Grenadier Assault Brigade says you can take an Avenger Strike Fighter with 3HP, then you can. My mate and many others have told me that since there is no generic rule for the FW IG Flyers, you then go off what the Codex says. And as someone pointed out, the rules in the FW website only apply to Armies from the IG and Sisters of Battle Codex.

Search for FAQ and Errata for your codex. Maybe it's covered there.

It seem illogical for some faction to have same model with different stats for same cost.

 Ironwolf45 wrote:
And although you say it's a typo, in this case if the DKOK Grenadier Assault Brigade says you can take an Avenger Strike Fighter with 3HP, then you can.

Taking advantage of typos is TFG behavior. Don't do it. The Avenger has 2 HP in every other place it has been published and it's clearly a typo in the assault brigade list. This isn't a case of similar units (such as tactical squads in different marine armies) having slightly different rules, someone just made a mistake in copying over the stat lines. Insisting on getting the benefits of that mistake is the kind of rules lawyering that only people who can't win a game honestly have to resort to.

Technically with the whole codex whatever being replaced by faction would the dkok be faction Astra militarum? Or would they have their own special faction? Also look for FAQs because I know that for at least the tempestus they have stated anything available for IG is available to them so there may be a similar thing for dkok.

There was an FAQ clarifying that the Avenger/Thunderbolt HP issue was a typo, although I'll leave you to find it yourself.

The Avenger is better anyway. 2 Lascannons and 2 Autocannons is better than a TL Lascannon and 2 Autocannons, and the Avenger has the AMB as well.

 cranect wrote:
Technically with the whole codex whatever being replaced by faction would the dkok be faction Astra militarum? Or would they have their own special faction? Also look for FAQs because I know that for at least the tempestus they have stated anything available for IG is available to them so there may be a similar thing for dkok.

Oh ok, that helps out a lot. Wasn't saying it that I was going to field an Avenger with 3HP, was referring that most people I talked to here said that if that's what it says then go for it. But I am surprised there isnt an FAQ for it.

Besides that, I have an idea of what I want to do, however current issue is what rule set I should be using. Basically, it's boiling down to: Do in use the rules and profile of the particular unit from the Army List? Or do I use the most updated rules for that unit? And if it's the most updated rules, what are they?