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So there is a new rumor floating about that 40k is going to be switching to formations only with either the removal of, or de-emphasis on, points. And I got to tell you, as depressing as it is, it seems likely for 1 reason. If they do that, it will finally be the true end of sisters of battle. The sisters don't have any formations and aren't going to get any, so a move like this would kill them off outright. It seems terribly appropriate that SOB would finally die out because they were forgotten about, or because GW just couldn't be bothered.

There is no evidence whatsoever Sisters will get squated with this potential new direction.
GW simply release a bunch of OTT formations for them. People buy models. ??? Profit.

Also (dakka) bingo.

 Ratius wrote:
There is no evidence whatsoever Sisters will get squated with this potential new direction.
GW simply release a bunch of OTT formations for them. People buy models. ??? Profit.

Also (dakka) bingo.

There's no evidence whatsoever that the rumor is true lol. It seems like one of those fear mongering things people put out to troll or scare people. The only reason I would give it any credence would be BECAUSE it kills sisters. Also, OTT formations would be pretty hard with Sisters, they only have 5 useful, non-FW, non-special character units in the whole book. The formation would have to give you, 'win the game instantly for free' for celestians to be worth it.

 Ratius wrote:
There is no evidence whatsoever Sisters will get squated with this potential new direction.
GW simply release a bunch of OTT formations for them. People buy models. ??? Profit. Also (dakka) bingo.

As a Sisters player, I think its likely if they did go down that route they would get squated or at least just ignored. It seems to be happening to various factions in AOS/former WFB and GW like the self fulfilling prohercy of

We mainly make Marines so we mainly sell Marines so lets make more and more Marines..........

Rumour thread is already in News.

Also, Sisters do have formations. But GW marked them as Apocalpyse only. Which is useless.

ERJAK wrote:
So there is a new rumor floating about that 40k is going to be switching to formations only with either the removal of, or de-emphasis on, points. And I got to tell you, as depressing as it is, it seems likely for 1 reason. If they do that, it will finally be the true end of sisters of battle. The sisters don't have any formations and aren't going to get any, so a move like this would kill them off outright. It seems terribly appropriate that SOB would finally die out because they were forgotten about, or because GW just couldn't be bothered.

Key word was "rumour." I doubt, especially with how GW is improving (even if it is a marginal improvement), they would feth it up like this. Then again, there isn't an emphasis on points anyway. Just look at that Power fist...

Problem with Warhammer: Age of Formations, is that if they do go that route formations become incredibly static and lose any customization options they offer, since with no points you always take a maxed formation. I guess if they offer modular chunks within a formation that would be fine, as in you can take only one or the other option.

The other major issue is that without points they need to make major or minor formations. Some formations are just small and powerful but could never compete with larger option formations.

 Tinkrr wrote:
Problem with Warhammer: Age of Formations, is that if they do go that route formations become incredibly static and lose any customization options they offer, since with no points you always take a maxed formation. I guess if they offer modular chunks within a formation that would be fine, as in you can take only one or the other option.

The other major issue is that without points they need to make major or minor formations. Some formations are just small and powerful but could never compete with larger option formations.

Oh yeah the logistical difficulties alone make it SUPER unlikely, I'm just putting out some well deserved sour grapes.

Where is this silly rumor keep coming from?

There is zero evidence towards it, no reliable source ever said it, everyone who is a semi reliable source says it's not even on the table, but random people keep getting anxious over it for some reason despite it not being real.

The fear and desperation in the souls of the player base.

40k "7.5" and the squatting of WHFB have brought about a lot of it.

Doing away with points for 40k would be GW shooting themselves in the face. Also 40k doesn't seem doable without points because of how much Wargear there is (not sure how much wargear was in fantasy and how it was changed in AoS). GW seems to be making semi educated moves with their upcoming beginner kits, starter army boxes, gamer edition codexes, and attempts to break into new markets/retail outlets. Any idiot can see a radical reboot like AoS would be foolhardy for 40k and the reason it happened with fantasy was that the game system was basically dead/dying.

40K will see more formations because they are often fitting a fluff theme, create new gameplay without changing the actual codex entry for a unit, and formations push model sales as you need X number of Y units which means Z dollars/pounds/euros are required investment to field that formation. Having a CAD is the old standby and there is no reason to get rid of it. More formation variety and special detachments will make the CAD played less often but it serves as the baseline army mold. Besides what is the chances somebody at GW will make a formation so I can field killa kanz, meganobz, flash gitz, mek guns, and gretchen for my Nobz and Grotz list. No reason to eliminate that option from the table and as even GW has probably noticed people don't like unbound.

I don't think GW will do this but the fear is present because GW doesn't tell us anything until maybe a month or so before it comes out. This lack of communication is one of their biggest flaws and causes the fear you see today.

A friend of mine from the Warhammer 40k Facebook group (his name is Aaron Paul but it's almost certainly an alias since there's at least two others in the same group with that name) mentioned that he spoke with a GW spokesperson and AoSing 40k was originally on the table, but they wanted to see how AoS actually did before they commited their last real source of revenue to it. This was just about a month after the release of AoS and if AoS failed, they will cancel the idea.

Considering that not even their corporate suits can spin the disaster AoS has been, it's likely that they're not going to do the exact same thing. But I can see them using formations as the new excuse. After all as long as the points are there, there's some semblance of balance.

What won't happen is the conclusion of the story, the removal of the more complex stats and calculations, and of course points (yes, they're very much aware how badly they gakked that one up).

 ShaneTB wrote:
Rumour thread is already in News.

Also, Sisters do have formations. But GW marked them as Apocalpyse only. Which is useless.

There you go. GW just mark them not Apocalypse only, and off we go.

I think this could work if each faction is given a number of different formations with combinations of unites that each have some customisation options, and these are marketed as cheap or free mini-codexes. In other words, they would be a bit like AoS war scrolls, where you can choose the number of troops in a unit and the weapon carried, but most of the stats and the special rules are defined for you. The new formation concept could include a power level for easy comparison with other formations, and 'mini' and 'mega' variants.

This would not satisfy people who like doing army list writing in detail, but it would be great for people who want to get a game up and running quickly, do not buy the current codexes and have therefore left the game. (Like me.) GW would also need to make a cheap edition of rules available for this to work.

Sad Panda has said it himself 40k's plot is on the move but it just won't be a huge apocalypse where everything dies and is reborn in a new world.

SO yeah as far as anyone can tell it's happening folks. I have a feeling the Dark Eldar two splat (come on its coming) is going to set up killing off slaanesh. We know GW wants this to happen. So I think they're going to shake the story up a bit. THis year folks. Tau are being set up for revenge with our warp research, space wolves 14th company returned with wolven and their planet is being bombarded by dark angels, hints that the Gray Knights/Inquisitor is trying to help Farsight and trying to teach him to resist the warp, and a plot being set up about a way to kill off Slaanesh and replace it with some other god.

At the end Mont'ka a Tyranid hive fleet is assailing them. It seems pretty obvious to me this is being set up for a moderately large event or plot sequence.

 Gamgee wrote:
Sad Panda has said it himself 40k's plot is on the move but it just won't be a huge apocalypse where everything dies and is reborn in a new world.

SO yeah as far as anyone can tell it's happening folks. I have a feeling the Dark Eldar two splat (come on its coming) is going to set up killing off slaanesh. We know GW wants this to happen. So I think they're going to shake the story up a bit. THis year folks. Tau are being set up for revenge with our warp research, space wolves 14th company returned with wolven and their planet is being bombarded by dark angels, hints that the Gray Knights/Inquisitor is trying to help Farsight and trying to teach him to resist the warp, and a plot being set up about a way to kill off Slaanesh and replace it with some other god.

At the end Mont'ka a Tyranid hive fleet is assailing them. It seems pretty obvious to me this is being set up for a moderately large event or plot sequence.

Assuming they don't screw the points, I'd be happy to see the story progress and possibly kill off some guys.

How on earth do you balance formations against each other?

The decline of GW is pretty ironic. They were prosperous when they were pushing with the grim-dark, we don't have anything, everything is decaying-feel in 3rd/4th ed.

Now, in the twilight of 7th, everything is noble-bright, there are plenty of equipment, everyone has the latest everything, including 7x WKs, grav guns everywhere, bright and glorious elves leading the charge against chaos and winning, while GW is dying.

This is the end of an era.

ERJAK wrote:
So there is a new rumor floating about that 40k is going to be switching to formations only with either the removal of, or de-emphasis on, points. And I got to tell you, as depressing as it is, it seems likely for 1 reason. If they do that, it will finally be the true end of sisters of battle. The sisters don't have any formations and aren't going to get any, so a move like this would kill them off outright. It seems terribly appropriate that SOB would finally die out because they were forgotten about, or because GW just couldn't be bothered.

I wouldn't read much into it, every post I've read about this is, the person who found this out is a reliable source but couldn't say where they got this information so its probably untrue.......

 Snoopdeville3 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
So there is a new rumor floating about that 40k is going to be switching to formations only with either the removal of, or de-emphasis on, points. And I got to tell you, as depressing as it is, it seems likely for 1 reason. If they do that, it will finally be the true end of sisters of battle. The sisters don't have any formations and aren't going to get any, so a move like this would kill them off outright. It seems terribly appropriate that SOB would finally die out because they were forgotten about, or because GW just couldn't be bothered.

I wouldn't read much into it, every post I've read about this is, the person who found this out is a reliable source but couldn't say where they got this information so its probably untrue.......

I wouldn't call a guy with less then 30% right on a site that need you to visit for him make money a reliable source.

Sisters got squated a decade ago if they were a properly supported army they'd of had more than token updates.

What they need is plastic kits that will make the army affordable.

 ShaneTB wrote:
Rumour thread is already in News.

Also, Sisters do have formations. But GW marked them as Apocalpyse only. Which is useless.

When the Sisters formations first came out, Formations in general were Apocalypse only.

This rumour is from Natfka, it's more likely that I could fall down the stairs and find the lost update for the Sisters of Battle under them.