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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/17 18:59:15
Subject: I.R.W. Jazkal
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Tech slot Nijil, greaaaaattttt.... but why so frigging costly? (I guess the -1sp for the upgrade somewhat negates this).
The rest of it seems mostly garbage. I like Bodyguards, but not at that price. Of course you have the benefit from Vrax, but his captain skill is pants.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/17 19:42:10
Subject: Re:I.R.W. Jazkal
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Abel
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That ship is garbage. No shields, hull value of 3 (!!), two attack dice, two evade. The ship ability would have been AWESOME on a Valdore or D'drex, but no sensible person is ever going to take this ship. It would cost far too many points to make it worthwhile.
Vrax- hmm. Let me get this straight. I spend 5 SP (2 for Vrax, and 3 for Reman Bodyguards) to get a discard that gives me +1 Primary Attack Die/-1 evade die on target against a single ship? Oh, and it's an action?
Reman Bodyguards should be a 3 point upgrade at most. 2 points would have been perfect, and then you would see Vrax and the bodyguards. As it is... nope. I can't see taking this combo at anytime. 5 points for an action/discard should be a devastating ability, not a +1/-1 ability.
Destabilized Relations is a great elite talent, and I'm glad the Romulans are getting some love in that area! This card is MADE for Shinzon.
Nijil would have been an auto take at 3 points and no action ability. Instead, Wizkids thinks it's a better idea to make a Romulan Player spend a 5 point tax to get a tech slot. At least the upgrade is discounted by 1 SP. However, spending on average 8-10 points for a tech upgrade on a ship... well, it better be the best upgrade ever, because you won't have enough points left over for anything else if you are in OP/Tournament play.
Prototype Cloaking Device: The wording seems wonky to me. Action to disable this card, and then you can cloak as a free action. OK...
Disruptor Banks: garbage. Can't think of one time this card would be even remotely worth it. A secondary weapon that rolls only 3 attack dice and can only be used in your forward firing arc? That's just a waste of a card. If you take this card, it's for the ability to discard it to make your opponent roll -2 attack dice. Thus, it could save one of your ships from a fatal alpha strike. And at 4 points for -2 attack dice, it's a steal. Consider though, another card: Interphase Shield Generator, which works while you are cloaked, is spent AFTER all the dice have been rolled and modified, and only costs 3 points.
Now, with all that being said, there could be some use for Prototype Cloaking Device on a Drone ship, and Disruptor Banks would be a great card for that one time you get Alpha Strike'ed, or when you have another card that says "discard a weapon card for...". Nijil will be nice if you really need a tech slot, but I just can't see a time during fleet building when I say "I need this tech item, and I'm willing to pay +5 points for it! (4 pts if its Romulan). As I noted, Destabilized Relations is a perfect card for Shinzon. It's also a great elite talent card for any fleet. Outside of faction play, I can see a lot of fleets taking this card. Trying to come up with something positive about the IRW Jazkal, Vrax or the Reman Bodyguards is a lot harder. I can't think of anything right now, but that doesn't mean there isn't any. I just don't see anyone taking Vrax when we have Valdore, Donotra, and Shinzon. Opening it up to cross faction play, and well... I don't ever see Vrax and the Reman Bodyguards being used. Automatically Appended Next Post: Just realized that Destabilized Relations and a scan token means the target ship is rolling -3 evade dice. That becomes VERY nice against a cloaked ship. Or, as I ran into during my last OP, a Fed ship with Captain Ahab Picard, Hikaru Sulu, and William Riker rolling +4 evade dice (combined with the Defiant's 2 agility, that was 6 evade dice every round. VERY frustrating LOL).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/17 21:05:02
Subject: Re:I.R.W. Jazkal
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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You have got to be kidding me...I would have loved Destabilized Relations to have been a Klingon talent.
NiJil and Destabilized Relations basically take ships that lack tech and lack of high attack power and makes them fraking awesome.
Destabilized Relations....forces your opponent to either suck-up 2 less defense or not wolf pack ships i.e., so if its deployed on the Scimitar Class or even a Dex class, which need multiple ships firing at them to take them out, its a card that has no draw back save a cost 5. As luck would have it, its not a discard or a disable.
Oh so you lack a tech and that holds Romulans back you say? Enter NiJil so you can get a tech at -1 SP, and a situational So 5 points makes him Useless now? Not to mention his ability is not a discard should you choose to use it. with the -1 cost to the tech he cost you the same cost with Captian Valdore and your chosen tech and T'Rul and your chosen Tech......exactly how is this a bad thing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/17 21:31:48
Subject: Re:I.R.W. Jazkal
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The New Miss Macross!
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Tamwulf wrote:That ship is garbage. No shields, hull value of 3 (!!), two attack dice, two evade. The ship ability would have been AWESOME on a Valdore or D'drex, but no sensible person is ever going to take this ship. It would cost far too many points to make it worthwhile. I was thinking that I was glad to see another ship without shields in the enterprise era. It seems balanced against NX ships and other low cost, low ability same era ships. Of course, I'd guess that outside of convention scenario games that most folks don't play not only faction specific but also era specific. Ideally, though, in this type of game it would be balanced by points across all eras but that takes alot of effort which isn't what this product line is known for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/18 02:46:36
Subject: Re:I.R.W. Jazkal
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Stubborn Prosecutor
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I had hopes for this one, but again
Ok disappointment aside I like the ship, the talent, the tech, and I even like the weapon. Disruptor Banks is good for era pure play. A reliable and reusable 3 die attack for that the ent time period is pretty cool.
Reman Bodyguards suck! 5 points an action and a discard is ridiculous. The EM Pulse the Koraga & Kraxon is 4 points and does the same thing for only an action and a disable, pluse range 1-2.
The Bodyguards suck so the captain sucks. Even at 3 points the Bodyguards are terrible.
Nijil is pretty bad. For a point less in faction pure T'Rul and Valdor 6 are much better options. If you go cross faction the guy that comes with the Pegasus is better. 2 points for feds 3 for everyone else to add a tech slot. Hell even Torres is better because she also adds a weapon for 4/5 points.
The Romulans could use a Torres because they have 4 very nimble ships with no in faction way to put a weapon on them.
I'm ok with new cards coming out but I get irritated when we get cards that are more expensive and worse than pre existing cards.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/18 03:15:58
Subject: Re:I.R.W. Jazkal
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
PA Unitied States
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Mr B??
NiJil + Advanced Cloak = 8
Valdore + advanced cloak = 8
T'rul + Advanced Cloak = 8
Peg Guy + advanced cloak = 7
Torres +advanced cloak = 9
How is he worse?
Valdore will you sac the tech for +1 attack? doubtful
T'Rul when will you use her ability, only if your opponent nerfs an attack roll
Will you use NiJil's ability probably not but atleast he has a skill that doesn't discard him or the tech.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/18 12:09:37
Subject: Re:I.R.W. Jazkal
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Stubborn Prosecutor
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Rune Stonegrinder wrote:Mr B??
NiJil + Advanced Cloak = 8
Valdore + advanced cloak = 8
T'rul + Advanced Cloak = 8
Peg Guy + advanced cloak = 7
Torres +advanced cloak = 9
How is he worse?
Valdore will you sac the tech for +1 attack? doubtful
T'Rul when will you use her ability, only if your opponent nerfs an attack roll
Will you use NiJil's ability probably not but atleast he has a skill that doesn't discard him or the tech.
Nijil's ability costs an action to use and you have to disable him and the tech. T'Rul has two other abilities neither of which is an action. He ability to add an guaranteed evade will pay off more in the long run than adding 1 unmodified die with Nijil.
Valdor is a better option because he has a decent captain skill and he will not be taking up a valuable crew slot to get that tech.
The only time I see Nijil being useful is if you want to fly 2-3 Valdor class ships in a faction pure game, but otherwise I would take one of the other options.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/18 18:01:08
Subject: I.R.W. Jazkal
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Dakka Veteran
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Over all, I feel like the pack could have been better, but it wasn't BAD. Not an OMG release, but its not a terrible pack. The prototype cloaking device can be useful on ships that lose their shields, Like an uncloaked reman.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/19 15:23:33
Subject: I.R.W. Jazkal
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Abel
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Corpsman913 wrote:Over all, I feel like the pack could have been better, but it wasn't BAD. Not an OMG release, but its not a terrible pack. The prototype cloaking device can be useful on ships that lose their shields, Like an uncloaked reman.
People (myself included) were expecting a better captain and some useful generic crew like in the latest Klingon release. Instead, we got another small shop. I'm pretty sure the Romulans now have more small ships then any other faction. They certainly have the most ships without shields and cloaking (the one perceived thing that all Romulans are supposed to have). The thing is, this ship has no innate defense. Look at the Enterprise NX-01. You can equip Enhanced Hull Plating for free, and that is a HUGE bonus to the ship. You can build around an aux token, and you can actually make that ship supper tanky. This ship? I have to pay +4 SP for the Prototype Cloaking Device, and oh yeah! I could blow myself up with it. I don't even have enough crew slots on the ship to make it tanky like the NX-01.
I just can't imagine ever taking this ship over a IRW Praetus. It has a built in cloaking device! Now, ask me how often I take a Praetus? That's right, pretty much never unless I'm doing the Cloaked Mines thing. And then the Praetus has two tech slots to the one on the Jazkal. No, the IRW Jazkal is a bad ship for the Romulans, and should have been better. It doesn't replace any ships, it doesn't offer a unique ability to synergize with the rest of your fleet, and it's action economy isn't that great. Gotta spend a scan token to activate the ship ability... which would have been awesome on any other Romulan ship, if the Romulans could actually scan, but that's a discussion topic for another day. Can't believe you have to use a Romulan Pilot and discard him for a scan token...
By the time a ship that has cloaks loses all it's shields, it's FUBAR already, so cloaking again won't help you all that much. The Prototype Cloaking Device was made for the Drone ship.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/19 18:21:58
Subject: I.R.W. Jazkal
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Dakka Veteran
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Just trying to look at the brighter side. I agree though, Prototype 01 with Prototype Cloaking device is AMAZING. think: it heals 1 damage every turn as it is, and is now throwing 7 defense dice!
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"I aim to misbehave"
"I find your lack of faith, disturbing."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/22 14:34:13
Subject: Re:I.R.W. Jazkal
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Not so much here, but BBG and facebook, the fact that the Amar was crap was basically acceptable 'cause they have action economy and good captains'. God forbid that wizkids made a lame Romulan ship; you'd think the sky was falling.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/22 15:19:19
Subject: Re:I.R.W. Jazkal
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Stubborn Prosecutor
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Rune Stonegrinder wrote:Not so much here, but BBG and facebook, the fact that the Amar was crap was basically acceptable 'cause they have action economy and good captains'. God forbid that wizkids made a lame Romulan ship; you'd think the sky was falling.
The more I look at the pack the more I think it's ok. It is by no means a game changer but there are some diamonds in the rough here. The talent, tech, and weapon have possibilities. I still don't think Nijil is the best option for a tech, but he has uses, especially for folks that don't want to but DS9 for T'Rul.
The Reman Guards are crap though and unfortunately that makes the captain crap. The ship is interesting but it is going to depend on how big secondaries are in your area. With the proliferation of Type 8 Phasers, Upgraded Phasers, Dorsal Weapons Array and Disruptor Beams the ability won't go unused. The only issue is that if the Jazkal is uncloaked 3 hull and no shields that extra die won't do much to save it. If the Jazkal is cloaked she won't be able to use the ability every turn because it only gets it if you have a scan token, so the action economy isn't there.
For era pure play I think this pack has some stuff to offer if you're into Enterprise games. However there is no synergy in the pack for games against other era ships.
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