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Are there any stories of a chaos god fighting along side their minions? I am not talking about Khorne ripping a whole through the warp or slaanesh bringing a knight to its knees, stories of the gods taking part in combat.
I can see why there wouldn't be any, a god could kill a mortal with the click of their fingers, but what about fighting each other? It seems strange that all they do is sit in their realms all the time.

Not familiar with any stories of themselves personally on the battlefield with each other or in the material plane, but I am remembering that in the center of the Chaos realm there is a place where all domains of each of the gods intersect and is used as a place to meet. There they barter or demand or coerce each other and make temporary alliances. There is a ebb and flow of power where one god may find he is dominate, for a time.


Khorne: uses force of strength and will by bellowing demands
Tzeentzh: is subtle by negotiating, using the fears of the other gods to his advantage
Nurgle: I forgot how he works
Slaanesh: uses his/her abilities to play o the desires of the other gods


OLD fluff so as anyone is concerned it may not be valid any longer

Well I don't know about whether or not there actually are stories, but I don't see why there can't be. It'd definitely make for some really fun and interesting fiction and the Chaos Gods are not without their rivalries between each other.

As for fighting by their minions, it could not occur anywhere else other than the Warp and maybe.... just maybe.... in the Eye of Terror. This is because they can't exist outside the Warp.

The closest thing is probably the war in heaven where Slanessh slaughtered/raped/devoured the Eldar gods.

Nerak wrote:
The closest thing is probably the war in heaven where Slanessh slaughtered/raped/devoured the Eldar gods.

What you're talking about is not the War in Heaven, which is way more ancient than the Fall.

I'm pretty sure it was more a psychic shockwave than Slaanesh doing any attacking himself.

The gods can't leave the warp.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
The gods can't leave the warp.

No but mortals can go into the warp. I'm just supprised that no god (besides slaanesh and even then that wasn't a fight) has personally left their thrown to fight. I would especially think Khorne would delight in leaving his thrown to crush those who dare to enter his realm.

Chaos gods are like on a whole new scale of power and sheer surely only another god could match there abilities.

Greater deamons are very powerful and only a fragment if the gods true power.

It happened during the fantasy end times...

Not so much in 40k.

In 40K, the gods themselves cannot enter physical reality. There is no ritual powerful enough, no host-bodies strong enough, to form that sympathetic bridge between Reality and the Warp and provide an anchor for the god-form.

The best they can do is tiny motes of their power in the form of daemons, and psychic effects like visions/hallucinations and other such sorcery.

They do it all the time - sort of.

Bear in mind that a Greater Daemon is the Chaos God - or at least a fragment of it.

Khorne, The Skull Throne, The Sword Of The End Of All Things, A Bloodthirster, A Bloodletter Host, etc, etc, are all essentially fragmented aspects of one single entity.

It's only seen as multiple separate places and things and beings by minds who don't have the capacity to perceive Khorne as he actually is (i.e. any mortal).

The only exception is Daemon Princes - being elevated from a mortal, rather than a subordinate 'piece' of Khorne himself, they still have a fragment of free will.

Engrenages wrote:

Nerak wrote:
The closest thing is probably the war in heaven where Slanessh slaughtered/raped/devoured the Eldar gods.

What you're talking about is not the War in Heaven, which is way more ancient than the Fall.

My bad, ment the fall. It's not clear what the eldar gods really are but Cheggorath and Khaine most certainly have a presence in 40k. I don't have codex to point to but I'm certain Slaneesh actually fought and killed them one by one, except for Isha who got imprisoned.

Khorne fights with his Legions occasionally, and I think is noted as the only god to do so. It's not very common and always creates a massive shift in the Great Game if I recall correctly.

In Vengeful Spirit Horus goes to the realm of the gods and ends up at the centre of a Chaos Star with eight paths leading off it, at four of the points is the dwelling of each of the four main powers.

I haven't got the book to hand as I'm in work but he's said to have lead armies of demons in wars lasting hundreds of years in there until he cows the Chaos Gods and becomes a God himself...

It's only a very short snippet but as a concept I thought it would have made for a great book on it's own and would have potentially shown the Gods being more "active" for want of a better word. Presumably the Gods would have been involved in the scrap.

Engrenages wrote:

What you're talking about is not the War in Heaven, which is way more ancient than the Fall.

How could there have been anything involving slaneesh before the fall? I thought that's what created him.

Time has little to no meaning in the Warp. Slaneesh has always existed and yet doesn't exist at all.

The moment Slaanesh was "born", s/he immediately existed for all time, past and future.

Kar Athri wrote:

Engrenages wrote:

What you're talking about is not the War in Heaven, which is way more ancient than the Fall.

How could there have been anything involving slaneesh before the fall? I thought that's what created him.

Yes it was. I was referring to the fact that the post I quoted said that the battle between Slaanesh and the Eldar Gods was the War in Heaven, when it really is the Fall.

Isn't there some old fluff that said that Gork and Mork fight the Chaos Gods now and then?

I don't think it's useful to think of the Chaos Gods as figurative - like Greek gods or Norse ones.

Khorne isn't a big strong super-Primarch guy sitting on a throne on 'x' planet, giving orders to his minions and cracking his whip.

It's better to think of Khorne as a infinitely massive, floating Cthulhu-Like consciousness permeating the entire warp, whose lumbering intelligence divides itself into localised 'daemons' and absorbs, grows and wanes on the tides.

All the mythical stories about them physically being present like a Greek god are probably ways in which the Eldar or whoever can make sense of what happened. And the experiences of people like Draigo just the way a mortal mind tries to comprehend them..

There is Khorne vs Skarbrand
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Skarbrand




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 cadak wrote:
Isn't there some old fluff that said that Gork and Mork fight the Chaos Gods now and then?

They fight each other from time to time

 oldzoggy wrote:
There is Khorne vs Skarbrand
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Skarbrand

Not really much of a fight since Skarbrand was sent flying across the realm with one swing from Khorne, I suppose that is the problem: anyone other than an actual god would be easily defeated by the chaos gods.

I know that the gods cannot leave the warp but can they leave their own realms? Even if as some of you have said: the gods are everywhere and are every part of their own realm, it doesn't stop them from creating a temperery body to fight with.

 oldzoggy wrote:
There is Khorne vs Skarbrand
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Skarbrand




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 cadak wrote:
Isn't there some old fluff that said that Gork and Mork fight the Chaos Gods now and then?

They fight each other from time to time

The Skarbrand vs Khorne battle is taking place in the Warp, which is totally a thing that happens all the time between all sorts of Warp Entities. This isn't one or the other or both of them entering Realspace to duke it out, though, as Realspace can't handle Khorne.

The problem with anything in warpspace is that half the time you can't tell if it's suppose to be an allegory or of it's suppose to be something literal (like Tzeentch snapping his staff and the shards turning into different spells. That sounds equally plausable in the warp to be an allegory or a literal action), so any battles in the warp depicting the gods is probably up for debate.

As for realspace, the older fluff indicated that the Chaos Gods themselves cannot enter it because not enough belief has been secured in realspace for them to manifest. Greater Daemons often require a host body or a suitable warp storm to manifest themselves or they poof right back into the warp. Chaos Gods are even greater entities so it must require something even larger than the Eye of Terror to maintain even just one of them in realspace, much less have them go about actually fighting. The other thing is Chaos Gods are more content with sitting on their thrones, since they have an infinite amount of minions to carry out their will (and there are even hints that the actual Chaos Gods don't exist, and are more like a gestalt warp presence of all the daemonic entities of the same alignment like the Tyranid Hive Mind).

I like to imagine the gods as 40k equivalent of the ai's in the hyperion cantos.

As I recall, that fluff about Gork and Mork fighting the Chaos Gods boiled down to: The belief in Gork and Mork by that many Orks is so absolute that they are the most powerful entities in the warp (and because they are believed to be individual entities by the Orks, then that's what they are), and every now and then they beat on a Chaos God for laughs, but the Orks don't think they could kill a Chaos God so they don't, and besides, Gork and Mork are too busy fighting each other.

Tzeentch, The Emperor, Cegorach and the Deciever play cards sometimes....

Cptn_Cronssant wrote:
Tzeentch, The Emperor, Cegorach and the Deciever play cards sometimes....

But in the end, Creed wins.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
There is Khorne vs Skarbrand
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Skarbrand

Not really much of a fight since Skarbrand was sent flying across the realm with one swing from Khorne, I suppose that is the problem: anyone other than an actual god would be easily defeated by the chaos gods.

I know that the gods cannot leave the warp but can they leave their own realms? Even if as some of you have said: the gods are everywhere and are every part of their own realm, it doesn't stop them from creating a temperery body to fight with.

That is exactly what the Chaos gods do by creating Daemons. Daemons are essentially fragments of a Chaos god that have been split off from the greater whole and given an individual body. The Chaos gods can't leave their realm because they are their realm.


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InquisitorRoeth wrote:

Cptn_Cronssant wrote:
Tzeentch, The Emperor, Cegorach and the Deciever play cards sometimes....

But in the end, Creed wins.

It doesn't matter. Creed, Tzeentch, the Emperor, Cegorach and the Deceiver are all Alpha Legion operatives. Hydra Dominatus.