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To change votes its easier to switch the sealed boxs in transit between stations and counting halls actual goes in rigged goes out. Could it be done large scale? Who the hell knows but rigged votes very very very and on and on...unlikley.

I going to sleep for a few hours, but I fear the worst.

Apparently Gibraltar is almost ready to announce.

They reckon 90% to remain.

The 'worst' I fear is rioting from people who disagree with the course of democracy.

I may have voted leave, but feth it, if we remain I'm not going to hulk-out. That would be completely and utterly irresponsible. What I would urge anyone on the losing side to do is suck up the loss, and work with whatever they're given. At the end of the day, more people backed one choice over the other; that's democracy. Might as well do the best we can with what we have.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
The 'worst' I fear is rioting from people who disagree with the course of democracy.

I may have voted leave, but feth it, if we remain I'm not going to hulk-out. That would be completely and utterly irresponsible. What I would urge anyone on the losing side to do is suck up the loss, and work with whatever they're given. At the end of the day, more people backed one choice over the other; that's democracy. Might as well do the best we can with what we have.

Never! The only correct opinion is my own! Everyone else is wrong!


Kidding, it will be okay if your side loses. Have a little cry and get over it.


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Gibraltar


20000

19000 remain
823 leave.

No surprises there. Given the hostility from Spain recently, and their distance from GB, it's no wonder they want to stay in.

Wait a min, what system are they using?

The way sky news is reporting it, it sounds like first past the post.

"Remain wins Gibraltar! Remain wins Newcastle!"

Remain victory in Newcastle but by the narrowest of margins, 50.7%.

Will give Leave hope, but they do need to get some points on the board. Sunderland is rumored to be 60:40 to Leave.

EDIT: Orkney is 63% Remain. Not surprising, but I stand by Leave needing some victories.

I imagine there are no actual 'wins' based on region, simply a way of seeing how different areas voted.

Is it total votes.


But they are using the local voting areas so they can make pretty graphs.

Sunderland vote to Leave, as predicited. 61.3%, better than expected.

Clackmannanshire vote to Remain, 57%. It's early days, but Leave will be happier.

That Sunderland Vote.




Oh my!

Already seen the first person trying to incite rebellion against a Leave win.

Because democracy isn't democratic enough unless it's agreeing with you, right?

Anyone of either side who does this sort of thing is an idiot, who doesn't realise that they're encouraging further destabilisation of a country because they disliked a democratically-chosen result.

The BBC has it at 259790 to remain, 266721 to leave right now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36612368

I'm not happy with how this is going (voted Remain) but it's stupid to incite rebellion if the result is not what you voted. What does that say if we don't adhere to the wishes of the majority in a democratic process?

I'm kind of the opinion if (when?) Remain wins, that basically means the UK as a whole *really* needs to get invested in this whole Europe thing. There'd effectively be a mandate, so no more sitting on the sidelines. To stretch the analogy to breaking point, no more threatening to take the ball and going home. Instead a case of taking the ball and running forward with it, with the rest of the 'team' following behind.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Already seen the first person trying to incite rebellion against a Leave win.

Because democracy isn't democratic enough unless it's agreeing with you, right?

Anyone of either side who does this sort of thing is an idiot, who doesn't realise that they're encouraging further destabilisation of a country because they disliked a democratically-chosen result.

A rebellion is only justifiable if a leave vote was ignored in favour of remain, or vice versa. In other words, if the government was ignoring the democratic verdict.

Aye that Sunderland result o_0 Plus apparently turnout in the most high population pro-Remain areas(London, Glasgow) isn't as high as was expected. The pound has tanked 6% and the betting odds are going totally wonko. Still likely to go for Remain, but the foregone conclusion the pundits evidently expected when TV coverage started earlier is looking a lot more shoogly.

It is, as they say, going a bit squeeky-bum time.

Kettering 61% Leave, and we can apparently add Aberdeen to the list of places where the Remain vote hasn't turned out to expected levels.

Compel wrote:I'm kind of the opinion if (when?) Remain wins, that basically means the UK as a whole *really* needs to get invested in this whole Europe thing. There'd effectively be a mandate, so no more sitting on the sidelines. To stretch the analogy to breaking point, no more threatening to take the ball and going home. Instead a case of taking the ball and running forward with it, with the rest of the 'team' following behind.

Part of me has always wanted a Remain win. There's a not insignificant aspect of me that wants to the relative stability that comes with it, and wants to try this 'reformation from the inside'. The majority of me, however, doesn't believe it possible. Doesn't mean I won't help try should Remain win, though, and I hope that others do the same.



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 Yodhrin wrote:
The pound has tanked 6%

To be honest, that was always going to happen in the event of Leave showing any sign of winning, not as a consequence of voting Leave, but as a consequence of Mr. Call-Me-Dave Cameron calling this back-asswards referendum to begin with. The stock market is an institute that is essentially one giant self-fulfilling prophecy; as soon as someone mentioned the pound's value would fall in the event of a Leave vote, its fate was sealed. Like a lot of the problems in this referendum, Cameron is the main person both sides should hold responsible.

 Compel wrote:
I'm kind of the opinion if (when?) Remain wins, that basically means the UK as a whole *really* needs to get invested in this whole Europe thing. There'd effectively be a mandate, so no more sitting on the sidelines. To stretch the analogy to breaking point, no more threatening to take the ball and going home. Instead a case of taking the ball and running forward with it, with the rest of the 'team' following behind.

What, do you mean we should accept further integration and "ever closer union"?

Feth that. The entire premise of the Remain campaign was that they're going to push for the EU to reform. If they then turn around and go all in on European Integration, then they will have effectively campaigned on a lie.

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 Compel wrote:
I'm kind of the opinion if (when?) Remain wins, that basically means the UK as a whole *really* needs to get invested in this whole Europe thing. There'd effectively be a mandate, so no more sitting on the sidelines. To stretch the analogy to breaking point, no more threatening to take the ball and going home. Instead a case of taking the ball and running forward with it, with the rest of the 'team' following behind.

What, do you mean we should accept further integration and "ever closer union"?

Feth that. The entire premise of the Remain campaign was that they're going to push for the EU to reform. If they then turn around and go all in on European Integration, then they will have effectively campaigned on a lie.

Reformation to make it more democratic doesn't preclude us taking a much more active leading role rather than trying to have it at arms reach yet wanting all the perks.

Bloody Nora - the UK's only living psephologist, Prof John Curtice, is tipping Leave as the favourites to win...o_0

Whatever the result, I will not be celebrating. I think there are dark times ahead, whether we're in the EU or out.

Celebrating? No. Preparing to make the most of whatever situation comes out of it? Yes.

I might not like it, but them's the breaks.

Sterlings taking a POUNDING!

POUND PLUNGING AFTER MASSIVE WIN FOR LEAVE IN SUNDERLAND pic.twitter.com/O1LOT8EXBu

— Joe Weisenthal (@TheStalwart) June 23, 2016

wait... I'm confused... lower is better or higher? o.O

 whembly wrote:


Sterlings taking a POUNDING!

POUND PLUNGING AFTER MASSIVE WIN FOR LEAVE IN SUNDERLAND pic.twitter.com/O1LOT8EXBu

— Joe Weisenthal (@TheStalwart) June 23, 2016

wait... I'm confused... lower is better or higher? o.O

Lower is better if you are selling from the UK to other countries, higher is better if you are buying from other countries. Lower make s your exports cheaper, but makes imports more expensive. That's the very condensed version.

 whembly wrote:


Sterlings taking a POUNDING!

POUND PLUNGING AFTER MASSIVE WIN FOR LEAVE IN SUNDERLAND pic.twitter.com/O1LOT8EXBu

— Joe Weisenthal (@TheStalwart) June 23, 2016

wait... I'm confused... lower is better or higher? o.O

Basically, if you were saving up for a Forgeworld purchase, now is the time to make it.

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 whembly wrote:


Sterlings taking a POUNDING!

POUND PLUNGING AFTER MASSIVE WIN FOR LEAVE IN SUNDERLAND pic.twitter.com/O1LOT8EXBu

— Joe Weisenthal (@TheStalwart) June 23, 2016

wait... I'm confused... lower is better or higher? o.O

Basically, if you were saving up for a Forgeworld purchase, now is the time to make it.

*THATS* what I was getting at...

Is it too late to be on #TeamBrexit for purely selfish reasons? (cheaper Forgeworld )

Christ on a bike(I'm going to run out of forum-safe expletives if this goes on much longer) - Hartlepool votes 70% for Leave.

Scotland looks on track for somewhere around 60/40 Remain in total, but turnouts are looking more General Election-y than referendum-y which could hurt the UK-wide Remain total.

http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

I'm watching from there. Really nifty lay out.