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I recently played a game against Forge World Hydras. The Imperial Armor book for Armored Company lists them as having auto targeting. My opponent says it ignores all cover saves even though the most recent imperial guard book took away auto targeting.

I do not know much about Forge World FAQs and updates. Are these hydras legal?

If he is using a list/faction from a forge-world book at the listed price...then yes. If he's just taking those hydras in a standard CAD...debatable.

Imperial Armour Volume One - Second Edition says, "A Hydra Flak Tank Battery is a Heavy Support choice for a Codex: Imperial Guard army." Codex: Imperial Guard no longer exists.

Ordinarily I wouldn't stick on such a point (given Codex: Imperial Guard references should clearly be considered as referring to Codex: Astra Militarum) but I think if using a standard Codex: Astra Militarum list the Hydra from Codex: Astra Militarum should fairly clearly be used. I don't think it'd be unreasonable however if used in an Armoured Battle Group army list from Imperial Armour Volume One - Second Edition

Additionally the auto-targeting system does not ignore all cover saves; it ignores any cover saves or cover save bonuses provided by the Supersonic and Jink special rules.

Was he using them as part of the Armoured Company list or as part of a regular Imperial Guard codex list?

Armored Company. He told me the autotargetting ignored all cover saves and the "provided by" part only applied to "cover save bonuses".

Mr. Shine wrote:Imperial Armour Volume One - Second Edition says, "A Hydra Flak Tank Battery is a Heavy Support choice for a Codex: Imperial Guard army." Codex: Imperial Guard no longer exists.

Ordinarily I wouldn't stick on such a point (given Codex: Imperial Guard references should clearly be considered as referring to Codex: Astra Militarum) but I think if using a standard Codex: Astra Militarum list the Hydra from Codex: Astra Militarum should fairly clearly be used. I don't think it'd be unreasonable however if used in an Armoured Battle Group army list from Imperial Armour Volume One - Second Edition

Additionally the auto-targeting system does not ignore all cover saves; it ignores any cover saves or cover save bonuses provided by the Supersonic and Jink special rules.

I do believe it was FAQ's that Codex: Imperial Guard = Codex: Astra Militarum.

Lendys wrote:If he is using a list/faction from a forge-world book at the listed price...then yes. If he's just taking those hydras in a standard CAD...debatable.

There is no debate about it. You have to use the most recent publication. Now the Armoured Battle Group has it's own list with points and the list can be seen in the same light as it's own codex (albeit the same faction as AM with the exception they can ally with AM). As there had been no update, updating the Armoured Battle Group, you can still use the auto target hydra's. By comparison all the other books update the vehicles points and options so you have to take them over the older publication in a CAD force.

CAD have to take the most recent publication. Which is a pain in the ass. This means most units in 'Imperial Armour Volume One - Second Edition' can't be used unless you have more up to date publication.

From memory it goes

Imperial Armour Volume One - Second Edition < Apocalypse (2013) < Escalation < Imperial Armour Apocalypse (2013) < Codex: Astra Militarum (6th Edition) < Cadia: A Codex Astra Militarum Supplement

The Cadian Supplement contains all the AM units etc from Sanctus Reach: The Red Waaagh!, War Zome Damocles: Mont'ka and Echoes of War: Last Step Backwards. In all honesty we need a new Imperial Armour book with all our ground forces in one place.

This is similar to how Codex Inquisition gets the old (And much better) version of Chimera. Was always surprised they didn't update that since it's an E- Book.

 Baldeagle91 wrote:
I do believe it was FAQ's that Codex: Imperial Guard = Codex: Astra Militarum.

Agreed that it's common sense but I'd be interested to see such an FAQ - I'm not aware that it has been, particularly given the change was made in 6th and we're now in 7th.

There is no debate about it. You have to use the most recent publication.

This I certainly don't agree with, from a rules perspective at least. I think it's reasonably expected, though. I'd be unhappy about showing up to a game against an Eldar opponent wanting to use the 6th Edition codex, for example.

 Mr. Shine wrote:

 Baldeagle91 wrote:
I do believe it was FAQ's that Codex: Imperial Guard = Codex: Astra Militarum.

Agreed that it's common sense but I'd be interested to see such an FAQ - I'm not aware that it has been, particularly given the change was made in 6th and we're now in 7th.

Tbh I do remember reading it.... possibly an FAQ for an IA book of which unit comes from where etc..... I dunno I swear it has some snippet somewhere.

 Mr. Shine wrote:

 Baldeagle91 wrote:
There is no debate about it. You have to use the most recent publication.

This I certainly don't agree with, from a rules perspective at least. I think it's reasonably expected, though. I'd be unhappy about showing up to a game against an Eldar opponent wanting to use the 6th Edition codex, for example.

Hmmm I would be interested in your reasoning.... if unit points or abilities etc change why would you allow an older potentially superior unit be used?

 Baldeagle91 wrote:
Hmmm I would be interested in your reasoning.... if unit points or abilities etc change why would you allow an older potentially superior unit be used?

That's why I say "from a rules perspective" versus it being a common and reasonable (and one that I agree with) expectation. Basically we're not told that we must use the latest iteration of a named unit in a specific codex is all.

Drakkol wrote:
Armored Company. He told me the autotargetting ignored all cover saves and the "provided by" part only applied to "cover save bonuses".

He's incorrect.