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what about murder horde better 3 grinders from forgeghost formation of 6-7 bloodcrushers (in this case with a D thirster)

 blackmage wrote:
what about murder horde better 3 grinders from forgeghost formation of 6-7 bloodcrushers (in this case with a D thirster)

I've been doing more thought into the best method of running the murderhost, and I think the best solution is to make one squad of eight bloodcrushers, plus Karanak and the Khorne Herald on a Jugg. This lets you scout forward with a huge threat right in your opponents face. Flanking them should be khorne dogs to make up your other 7 squads.

You would have something like below at 1850.I'm not sure how this would fare to other lists, but for a thematic list it's very aggressive. The ForgeHost gets much more dangerous when you are able to use their abilities. Going from hitting 50% of the time and wounding ~86% of the time gets a lot more effective when hitting 75% of the time and wounding ~97% of the time. Weapons like the baleful torrent can ensure that the host gets that function off.

You would have something like below at 1850.

skycapt44 wrote:
I really like this list. Do you feel the need to have grimore on the herarld to ensure those crushers have a chance at a 3++. S8 can really hurt this death star type unit. Getting a bloodhunter upgrade with a lesser to get an axe of Khorne should also be important to ensure you have some AP2 which you are sacrificing by giving herald grimore.

Yes, I think that a grimore would go a long way - though it does work best with fatey.

The reason is simple, fatey gives you a 8/9 chance of success instead of a 2/3. Without fatey, in 1/3 of the games you play the bloodcrushers will go to a 6+ save. Those are not good odds when you are wanting to run a tourney. Sure, you might win your first few games, but the last thing you want is to bomb the roll on the final table.
It happens, and has happened to me -- even with fatey. When prize support money is on the line, that can be the difference between winning $100 in prize support or $25 in support.

Ideally I would live to give the baleful torrent to the other soulgrinders, or warp gaze. Warp gaze gets considerably better when you are hitting 75% of the time instead of 50% of the time, giving you some nice hits against wraithknights or other hard targets.

I also like the idea of a bloodhunter upgrade.

The trick is to find the room to make those changes. The only solution I see if cutting down on the number of bloodcrushers.

 labmouse42 wrote:

 blackmage wrote:
what about murder horde better 3 grinders from forgeghost formation of 6-7 bloodcrushers (in this case with a D thirster)

I've been doing more thought into the best method of running the murderhost, and I think the best solution is to make one squad of eight bloodcrushers, plus Karanak and the Khorne Herald on a Jugg. This lets you scout forward with a huge threat right in your opponents face. Flanking them should be khorne dogs to make up your other 7 squads.

You would have something like below at 1850.

Spoiler:

MurderHost
Herald of Khorne w/Jugg, Minor Reward
8 Bloodcrushers
5 Khorne Dogs
5 Khorne Dogs
5 Khorne Dogs
5 Khorne Dogs
5 Khorne Dogs
5 Khorne Dogs
5 Khorne Dogs

The Hunter of Khorne
Karanak

Daemon Lord
Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury

ForgeHost
Soul Grinder w/Baleful Torrent
Soul Grinder
Soul Grinder

I'm not sure how this would fare to other lists, but for a thematic list it's very aggressive. The ForgeHost gets much more dangerous when you are able to use their abilities. Going from hitting 50% of the time and wounding ~86% of the time gets a lot more effective when hitting 75% of the time and wounding ~97% of the time. Weapons like the baleful torrent can ensure that the host gets that function off.

yes at 1500pt .the actual format i play, i just take out grinders and use crushers+D thirster ty