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If I have a squad with more than one weapon e.g. a land speeder typhoon. If it shoots the missiles at a transport and wrecks it, can it now use the heavy bolter on the passengers?

Thanks in advance.

 hippyjr wrote:
If I have a squad with more than one weapon e.g. a land speeder typhoon. If it shoots the missiles at a transport and wrecks it, can it now use the heavy bolter on the passengers?

Thanks in advance.

No. A unit may only select one target to shoot at; other potential targets appearing halfway through their attack don't alter this.

You can charge a unit tho after destroying the transport in the shooting phase.

 hippyjr wrote:
If I have a squad with more than one weapon e.g. a land speeder typhoon. If it shoots the missiles at a transport and wrecks it, can it now use the heavy bolter on the passengers?

Thanks in advance.

No, you don't get to change targets after you start shooting with a unit.

 Bookwrack wrote:

 hippyjr wrote:
If I have a squad with more than one weapon e.g. a land speeder typhoon. If it shoots the missiles at a transport and wrecks it, can it now use the heavy bolter on the passengers?

Thanks in advance.

No, you don't get to change targets after you start shooting with a unit.

There are ways around it, but that is the base rule, yes.

Can a unit elect to continue shooting at a wrecked vehicle? I appreciate at the point of being wrecked it is now terrain, but say a devestator squad glanced a vehicle to death with heavy bolters, wrecking it, could the squad's plasma cannon fire at the wreck (the template would then happen to cover the freshly disembarked passengers)?

I'm guessing not, as the rules seem designed to protect embarked squads from a minimum of one squad's shooting, but I can't work out exactly why :S

nareik wrote:
Can a unit elect to continue shooting at a wrecked vehicle? I appreciate at the point of being wrecked it is now terrain, but say a devestator squad glanced a vehicle to death with heavy bolters, wrecking it, could the plasma cannon fire at the wreck?

I'm guessing not, but I can't work out exactly why :S

The Vehicle is no more there at that point than it would be in the following Phase or Game Turn. So, no.

 Charistoph wrote:

 Bookwrack wrote:

 hippyjr wrote:
If I have a squad with more than one weapon e.g. a land speeder typhoon. If it shoots the missiles at a transport and wrecks it, can it now use the heavy bolter on the passengers?

Thanks in advance.

No, you don't get to change targets after you start shooting with a unit.

There are ways around it, but that is the base rule, yes.

If you have an assault weapon or a pistol or what have you then, yes, you can charge the unit that popped out of the vehicle you wrecked during the shooting phase. There's a specific rule about that, I think. But otherwise you're right. Honestly, as an ork player, I often forget that most units can't actually charge after shooting.

 Vitali Advenil wrote:
If you have an assault weapon or a pistol or what have you then, yes, you can charge the unit that popped out of the vehicle you wrecked during the shooting phase. There's a specific rule about that, I think. But otherwise you're right. Honestly, as an ork player, I often forget that most units can't actually charge after shooting.

That is changing the target of the Charge, not while Shooting.

The closest rules to changing target while Shooting is Split Fire, and it forbids shooting a unit disembarked by the Split Firing model.

Super-Heavies, PotMS, Target Locks, and a few others, provide opportunity for multiple targeting, but it is never addressed if this is done all at the same time and/or you can swap targets in the middle of Shooting.

I've been reading the rulebook over, and from what I can tell [it's not exactly easy, with the rules spread out all over the place]...

Step 2 of the Shooting Sequence still applies to Superheavy Vehicles and Gargantuan Creatures.

Say, for example, you have a Baneblade. After you nominate the Baneblade to fire, you would have to declare which weapons will be firing at what targets. i.e. the main cannon will fire at that Land Raider, the hull heavy bolter will fire at those Scouts, and this sponson lascannon on the left side will fire at that Rhino, and so on...

If the sponson Lascannon happens to Wreck or Explode that Rhino, you would not be able to fire any weapons from the Baneblade at any passengers that are now exposed, since you already declared your targets.

This is my interpretation, anyway. I'm going to do a bit more research, see if anyone else explained it better or has a convincing argument otherwise. Maybe the ITC dealt with it...

EDIT: To address the original post, a Land Speeder is not a Superheavy, and it has no rules to fire at more than one target. So no, it was never possible for a Land Speeder to do what you're describing.

Terminal wrote:
I've been reading the rulebook over, and from what I can tell [it's not exactly easy, with the rules spread out all over the place]...

Step 2 of the Shooting Sequence still applies to Superheavy Vehicles and Gargantuan Creatures.

Say, for example, you have a Baneblade. After you nominate the Baneblade to fire, you would have to declare which weapons will be firing at what targets. i.e. the main cannon will fire at that Land Raider, the hull heavy bolter will fire at those Scouts, and this sponson lascannon on the left side will fire at that Rhino, and so on...

If the sponson Lascannon happens to Wreck or Explode that Rhino, you would not be able to fire any weapons from the Baneblade at any passengers that are now exposed, since you already declared your targets.

This is my interpretation, anyway. I'm going to do a bit more research, see if anyone else explained it better or has a convincing argument otherwise. Maybe the ITC dealt with it...

You cannot declare Weapons when you Declare Targets, that is Step 3. However, the specific targets of the specific Weapon Name must be declared in Step 3 at a minimum.

As I said,vthose rules do not specifically address HOW their multiple targetting works, just that they CAN.

You are right, Charistoph. Upon rereading, selecting the weapons to fire is in Step 3.

However, the Targets are still chosen in Step Two, even if you don't know which of your weapons will be firing at them.

Thus, I think it still works similar to how I described with the Baneblade - the passengers inside the Rhino cannot be shot at by it, since they are not a valid Target during Step Two.

EDIT: But I will now gladly admit that it is an unclear area of the rules, and not push it too much. At least I can briefly discuss it with my opponents before the game starts, especially as I start to use my own SHVs.

Terminal wrote:
You are right, Charistoph. Upon rereading, selecting the weapons to fire is in Step 3.

However, the Targets are still chosen in Step Two, even if you don't know which of your weapons will be firing at them.

Thus, I think it still works similar to how I described with the Baneblade - the passengers inside the Rhino cannot be shot at by it, since they are not a valid Target during Step Two.

Step 2 details selecting A target, not targetS. Multiple Targetting rules, besides Split Fire, do not detail how the Shooting Sequence is altered to accommodate this.