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Hi
I am currently thinking what would be the most power list one could build without formations. And how good would it be compered to a decurion list.

This list is my first idea. What do you think?


++ Necrons: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) (1500pts) ++

+ HQ

Cryptek (90pts) [Phase Shifter, Staff of Light]

Destroyer Lord (195pts) [Phase Shifter, Phylactery, Resurrection Orb, Warscythe]

+ Elites

Lychguard (280pts) [Night Scythe]
5x Lychguard [5x Hyperphase Sword & Dispersion Shield]

Triarch Praetorians (140pts)
5x Triarch Praetorian [5x Rod of Covenant]

Triarch Praetorians (140pts)
5x Triarch Praetorian [5x Rod of Covenant]

+ Troops

Immortals (215pts) [Night Scythe]
5x Immortal [5x Gauss Blaster]

Immortals (102pts)
6x Immortal [6x Gauss Blaster]

+ Fast Attack

Destroyers (120pts) [3x Destroyer]

Tomb Blades (110pts)
Tomb Blade [Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster]
Tomb Blade [Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster]
Tomb Blade [Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster]
Tomb Blade [Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster]
Tomb Blade [Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster]

Tomb Blades (108pts)
Tomb Blade [Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster]
Tomb Blade [Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster]
Tomb Blade [Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster]
Tomb Blade [Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster]
Tomb Blade [Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster]

If you want a really powerful list then this is what you do

Overlord w/ Gauntlet of Fire

6x 10 warriors w/ Ghost Ark

Flying Bakery achieved

Hm is that really the best list? No elites no tomb blades. This list can't kill wraith lord and wraith knights for example.

And what do you mean by "Flying Bakery achieved" ?

nordsturmking wrote:
Hm is that really the best list? No elites no tomb blades. This list can't kill wraith lord and wraith knights for example.

And what do you mean by "Flying Bakery achieved" ?

I think that list (meaning nordsturmkjng's, not the OP's) could be improved. Don't get me wrong, ghost ark spam can be very powerful in a cad, but there is too much strength d in the game to really make it viable. Wraith guard with d-scythes are a hard counter to this list, as their templates will deny jink to the ghost arks and almost certainly pop them, while toasting the occupants with hits that ignore their armor and reanimation.

As for the flying bakery, that was a 5th/6th edition list that spammed night scythes (nicknamed "croissants" or "cronsants" for their shape, hence the "flying bakery"). I don't think that moniker is appropriate for this list, as ghost arks don't resemble any sort of baked good that I know of. (maybe some sort of reference to ribs would make a good title?)

As to your original list op, it's pretty good overall but I see a few problems:
1. Where's the ObSec? If you're taking a cad over a decurion, the only reason you're doing so is because of ObSec. With just two units of immortals, you aren't going to be taking full advantage of it, and you might as well have taken a decurion.
2. I think you need more anti armor. Gauss spam doesn't work reliably, and other than your tomb blades, you don't have any units that can put out very many shots.
3. Lychguard. Yes they're in a night scythe, but Imo, lychguard are never mobile and Killy enough without lots of characters. I think your points would be better spent elsewhere.

My suggestions:
1. Use a cad supplemented by formations. I know you didn't want to do it, but imo it's the only way to make a cad better than a decurion. The bonuses for formations such as the destroyer cult, canoptek harvest, and judicator battalion are fantastic, and will really augment your firepower and survivability.
2. Be mobile! You've got the right idea with tomb blades, destroyers, and praetorians (although I wouldn't take praetorians outside of a judicator battalion). Keep your list fast by adding wraiths to tie up any cc threats, and scarabs to chew through vehicles (this ties in with suggestion 1, put them in a harvest). Ghost arks are also terrific, just don't make them the core of your list. Their job is to augment the survivablility of your troops, not be the main source of firepower. Night scythes are also pretty good, especially when taken as a dedicated transport for praetorians in a judicator battalion (tl tesla destructor with the equivalent of shred).

Overall I think the list is alright, but get more troops, more firepower, and even more mobility!

Anrakyr-the-Traveller wrote:


As for the flying bakery, that was a 5th/6th edition list that spammed night scythes (nicknamed "croissants" or "cronsants" for their shape, hence the "flying bakery"). I don't think that moniker is appropriate for this list, as ghost arks don't resemble any sort of baked good that I know of.

I was thinking French Rolls or loaves of bread.

As for the actual list I would reduce the amount of Tomb Blades and go for something like Wraiths or Scarabs.

I would recommend doing a CAD with an accompanying Retribution Phalanx

Lets start off with the usual caveat, there is no wrong way to play if you are having fun, and if you are not having fun don't play. All of the below comments are based on the idea that you are looking for advice on which units are most effective, people often get touchy about their lists, so I always feel the need to make this not personal. With that said;

Just did a tournament with a lichstar, and my wholly apocryphal opinion, not worth it, and they arguably lost me the winning circle (finished 4th of 15). In tournament play people will know how to deal with deathstars, and a low mobility deathstar will be kited/blinded/maledictioned/completely marginalized.

Praetorians are not cost effective, they are cool, fun, mobile, great in close combat and have good short range shooting, but it would take nothing short of a miracle for them to make their points. Two units of them compounds a mistake.

The goal of going CAD as necrons as opposed to Decurion is to have ObSec, but you only have two units who get it and they are a min sized and nearly min sized unit of immortals. Unless you really really need the AP 4 shots (and volume of fire usually makes up for the lack), warriors are almost always a better choice for troops.

As a general note, Your Ob Sec troops are there to capture objectives, so they need to be mobile enough to get to the objective (as they might change), and tough enough to sit on the objective against enemy fire. Small units of immortals don't meet either of those goals. You see lots of suggestions for ghost arks for just those two reasons, the warriors can get shot to hell and the ghost ark can put them back together, and the ghost ark can ferry them quickly between objectives.

I like tomb blades, but you are already short on wounds and firepower. Sadly, tomb blades are not going to help you much on either of those fronts.

As for the recommended CAD, a super mobile one would be:

HQ
Destroyer Lord
+Void Reaper, mind shackle scarabs, Phase shifter, phylactery, veil

The idea is he will join the wraiths, he might slow them down a tad, but he will be worth it for hatred and the ability to veil out of a tar pit. Being the only character in the melee unit, he will be challenged quite a bit, and mind shackle scarabs with the void reaper should make short work of anyone suicidal enough to try and get an easy slay the warlord.

Troops
10 warriors
+ Ghost Ark

10 Warriors
+ Ghost Ark

15 warriors

The idea here is to get fast and tough, the ghost arks will be bullet magnets for anyone who knows how to fight necrons, but they are tough, can get into cover and use jink to stay alive. You'll disgorge the warriors when you get to the objective, giving the crap choice of killing the obsec warriors who will get back up the next round, or shooting the 4 HP ghost ark and letting the obsec warriors just suck up the points. The final group of warriors just camps out on your closest objective and gets restocked by passing ghost arks.

Fast Attack
6 x Wraiths
6x destroyers
6x tomb blades
+ Shield veins,
+ Nebuloscope
+ Guass Blasters

You never know what you'll encounter, so having a good mix of firepower (lots of AP 3 and AP4 shots) that can be quickly brought to bear isn't a bad idea. Your opponents vehicles will get taken down by the warrior squads in the ghost arks, so the need for heavy destroyers is some what minimal, though if your facing a lot of armor and aren't confident in your ability to roll 6s, you could shuffle some units around to add some.

Anyway good luck!

I normally don't use the main formation for my Necrons. I use a CAD with as much 13 AV as I can get which still does fairly well.

*10 Warriors
- Ghost Ark
*10 Warriors
- Ghost Ark
*Triarch Stalker
-Heavy Guass Cannon
*Triarch Stalker
-Heavy Guass Cannon
*Annihilation Barge
*Annihilation Barge
*Doomsday Ark

The last three entries CAN be used as a formation if you choose. This gives me 7 13AV vehicles at 1500 which is annoying to deal with. For HQs I usually do a Destroyer Lord with all the goodies running with a group of sword and shield Lychguard. Also throw in a Cryptek for a 4+ RP roll or for more hilarity, add in Orikan who gives a 4+ and re roll of 1s on failed saving throws. Though for 1500 I'd use a cryptek with Vield of Darkness to move the Lord and guard around.

Thank you very much guys. I'll consider all your recommendations. I am happy to see that you put so much effort into helping me. I'm gonna try a few list to see how they compete. I guess I am gonna need more AV 13 stuff. And again tank you.

Not using Formations seems at odds with making a powerful list. In my opinion the best Necron lists are Decurion based. At last years ETC, for what it is worth, all of the best performing Necron lists were Decurions. They all had Canoptek Harvests in them. A lot of the tops also used Praetorians. Praetorians are awesome. Low AP shooting AND combat? On a fast unit? That can deep strike? With 4+ Reanimation Protocols? Fearless? Yes sir.

Necrons biggest problem at all comers events are Stomp and D weaponary. There isn't a great answer. Your best bet is MSU but it really depends on mission types. Necrons aren't very Killy. They are survivors though.

Oh and TombBlades are the most survivable jetbike in the game. AND have dirt cheap ignores cover. So anyone saying to take less than three units doesn't want Maelstrom.

(The most competitive non-Decurion build is probably Wall Of AV 13 - the big line of ghost Arks above, but there are plenty of armies that can walk through that too...

I'm a little surprised to see that there hasn't been a single list w/ flyers on this whole thread. At 1500 points most competitive players bring a flyer, and I honestly think the Doom-scythe is over-looked by most Necron players. Also most of the time my experience has been that there isn't too much of a difference between 3+ and 4+ armor, so warriors usually win out over the immortals. As for characters, Illuminor Szeras is pretty good. I also run a combined arms and between Illuminor Szeras and a plain Cryptek I can have my important units w/ 4+ RP.

Here's a list I regularly use:

HQ: 200
- Illuminor Szeras
- Cryptek w/ chronometron

Troops: 475
- Warriors
- Warriors
- Warriors
- Immortals

Elites: 90
-Deathmarks

Heavy Support: 320
- Doom scythe
- Doom scythe

Annihilation Nexus: 410
- Doomsday Ark
- Annihilation barge w/gauss cannon
- Annihilation barge w/ tesla cannon

Why not bring your scythes in the formation?


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Also. How do you deal with Eldar at all. That army doesn't look very resilient on the ground...?