Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 insaniak wrote:

JNC wrote:

As drakes, it makes sense they are bulky and not graceful flyers. Drakes are a step above wyverns, so a meeting in between the two in anatomy of the legs seems reasonable. More griffon than reptilian( like a wyvern), as they aren't true dragons.

With knees instead of elbows on the forelegs, it's closer to elephant than griffon.

I was mainly refer to the feet. Yes, the stubby legs are odd. Or are the feet what make it odd?. As drakes they are supposed to be more brutishly forceful. But if the old Wyverns are taken into account, they never really looked capable of flight either-Or even pouncing. I'll concede there is an odd mixture to the anatomy, but in fantasy odd mixtures are common. At 120$ it's certainly questionable(unless I'm confusing the price, only quick glanced it).
As someone mentioned, the ecology aspect is weak. Everything exist to fight on a table.

I'm trying to figure it out is all I can say. Warhammer has always had these problems. People said the Chaos Lord on Manticore is a bad kit, but I love that reinterpretation. It looks like a chaotic beast from the Chaos Wastes. Mileage on a two-way interstate and stuff.
---
Also: to be clear, when I say I don't see it about the feet/legs, I'm not arguing against what others see, I just don't see it.

Davor wrote:
Just when I am about to get into Age of Sigmar, GW brings out more Sigmarines, and I don't want to get in so much as I did last month.

Not sure what it is, but I am finding Sigmarines to be a big turn off in AoS. Everytime I see a Sigmarine, I just want to buy some Privateer Press or something else.

I really find Sigmairnes, boring, bland, dull and no character at all.

I think this is pretty much as close as an universal feeling as you can get.

JNC wrote:
Also: to be clear, when I say I don't see it about the feet/legs, I'm not arguing against what others see, I just don't see it.

 streetsamurai wrote:

Davor wrote:
Just when I am about to get into Age of Sigmar, GW brings out more Sigmarines, and I don't want to get in so much as I did last month.

Not sure what it is, but I am finding Sigmarines to be a big turn off in AoS. Everytime I see a Sigmarine, I just want to buy some Privateer Press or something else.

I really find Sigmairnes, boring, bland, dull and no character at all.

I think this is pretty much as close as an universal feeling as you can get.

Can't do much about the models but if it's the fluff, and I understand, maybe you might enjoy the explanation of Sigmarines on the author blogs from Josh Reynolds and Gav Thorpe. You can just google their pages. Worth a shot, nice quick reads, both of them.

Really frustrating they put the price of the Stardrake to the same one than Archaon's. I don't feel the miniature is big enough to justify it.

I mean, it's not that big. Oh well, guess I will not take three of those like they're advertising on the webstore for the formation.

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I actually want to try my hand at making Stormcast more sinister, with lots of black and very dark metals. Almost like Black Legion or Iron Warriors in 40k.

So basically Chaos Sigmarines then

I'm with the people who say the Star Dragon looks odd. The design is where it falls down; as always with GW the production aspect of it is excellent but it's the way it's front limbs are posed and the impractical armour where it fails in my opinion. The right front leg resting on the stone just doesn't look right at all. It does seem, from looking at the sprues, that with a bit of green stuff it could be built without the armour and reposed a bit?

More like the most grimdark portions of Space Marine fluff, where they are unquestionably good guys, but only to those who deserve saving. All else is a hindrance to the cause they are set on.

So in my bit of headcannon the normal person seeing a Stormcast force has to wonder: "do I run to them for salvation, knowing that if my village is being attacked but is not deemed by them to be part of their battle-goal, they might brush us off?"

So you'd have this culture where people desperately try to gain the Stormcast's good graces, knowing that even if they do, they will regarded as children to be waved into the background or even simply just a resource to be protected by these giant heroes who aren't really even people anymore, but living weapons. Grimdark-style unreturned hero worship.

(Unfortunately this only works well if they were in a place more like the Old Worls, where actual normal people exist to worship them.)

 AegisGrimm wrote:

(Unfortunately this only works well if they were in a place more like the Old Worls, where actual normal people exist to worship them.)

Read the Fyreslayers book. There's a bit in there about a tribe of people living in the Realm of Death that pay a Fyreslayer clan to rid them of a Vampiress.

There most definitely are "normal people" still around in the Realms. Hell, that's what the Bloodreavers are--"normal people" turned cannibals.

 Sarouan wrote:
Really frustrating they put the price of the Stardrake to the same one than Archaon's. I don't feel the miniature is big enough to justify it.

I mean, it's not that big. Oh well, guess I will not take three of those like they're advertising on the webstore for the formation.

Weird, it's £15 cheaper here.

Archaon was $165. The stardrake is cheaper.

I always thought if you painted the Sigmarines in a bone colored porcelain looking armor with small veins and cracks in it and blood lightly weeping from their eyes sockets and joints they would look very aggressive and dark. Sort of like little creepy china dolls on roids.

To me their builds suit more of a construct then a dude wearing armor, thats probably why I get bored with each of their releases since their armored look just seems super boring and overdone. A paintjob can make a massive difference in any products reception after all. Sort of like the wulfen, they aren't actually that bad but the stupid pink flesh and powder blue ruins them, give them heavily weathered armor and dark, dark skin and fur and they suddenly aren't so lame.

auticus wrote:
Archaon was $165. The stardrake is cheaper.

Not by much.

Archaon, at 165, was something I could justify. Gorgeous model that was to be a centerpiece for a force.

Stardrakes? They're not something I would consider as a centerpiece. They're like Imperial Knights or Morka/Gorkanauts: Something you could potentially see a large number of fielded at once but for the price of the model.

 Red Corsair wrote:
I always thought if you painted the Sigmarines in a bone colored porcelain looking armor with small veins and cracks in it and blood lightly weeping from their eyes sockets and joints they would look very aggressive and dark. Sort of like little creepy china dolls on roids.

To me their builds suit more of a construct then a dude wearing armor, thats probably why I get bored with each of their releases since their armored look just seems super boring and overdone. A paintjob can make a massive difference in any products reception after all. Sort of like the wulfen, they aren't actually that bad but the stupid pink flesh and powder blue ruins them, give them heavily weathered armor and dark, dark skin and fur and they suddenly aren't so lame.

These aren't mine, but I saw them on Facebook; someone painted theirs with white face masks and I think they look quite creepy, like those blank theatre masks (never liked them things):

Very nice. They definitely look more like a Construct type, which suits them better. I actually think it would have been awesome if the SE were an evil faction with the models they have.

 Red Corsair wrote:
I always thought if you painted the Sigmarines in a bone colored porcelain looking armor with small veins and cracks in it and blood lightly weeping from their eyes sockets and joints they would look very aggressive and dark. Sort of like little creepy china dolls on roids.

To me their builds suit more of a construct then a dude wearing armor, thats probably why I get bored with each of their releases since their armored look just seems super boring and overdone. A paintjob can make a massive difference in any products reception after all. Sort of like the wulfen, they aren't actually that bad but the stupid pink flesh and powder blue ruins them, give them heavily weathered armor and dark, dark skin and fur and they suddenly aren't so lame.

Bruticus did it:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

But I do wonder if this latest SE aesthetic wil give us a new look for Tzeentch. The Guant Sorcerer I really like but more for my the Pan's Labrynth eyes, and the BL fiction match. But I miss the fluid flamers and screamers and hope whatever comes is less...angular, I suppose. Hope that makes sense

Well, khorne stuf for AoS dont look alot like bloodletters and such.
With tzeench they can really have fun and make flying "chaos warriors" or twisted units with ranged magic attacks.
I really hope the gaunt summoner is a representative look for the "new recruits".
However, "angular" tend to be a theme with AoS design.

Oooooooo good stuff
I questioned building my Magmadroth if I should use the set of horns which are exactly the blood letters horns but decided it was best. I look FWd to Tzeentch.

I still have a pet theory that the reason the Forsaken were retired is that the 'elite' Tzeentch warriors - so on the scale of Blightkings and Skullreapers - will be a mass of armoured mutations.

I've seen (but can't find) the sigmarites done as terracotta warriors as well which also looks really good (and inhuman)

where the fudgesicle are the leaks of new khorne this week!!!

I'm doing mine in boney colored armor, and some gold too just because

 Kanluwen wrote:


Archaon, at 165, was something I could justify. Gorgeous model that was to be a centerpiece for a force.

Stardrakes? They're not something I would consider as a centerpiece. They're like Imperial Knights or Morka/Gorkanauts: Something you could potentially see a large number of fielded at once but for the price of the model.

While I think a Stardrake can be a fitting centerpiece for a Stormcast Eternal army, I totally agree with the rest of your post.

It's not a special character, you can take several of them if you want. And yet, the price is set like it was a true titan...but on the pictures, that's not what it is. It's just a big dragon on his all four. It's not resin forgeworld as well.

Monsters in AoS seem to have quite high prices (I'm talking about the new ones, not the repackaging). Trouble is...the size doesn't really justify it. It's 120€ by here, that means it's the price of nearly two starter armies.

But well, that's GW so it's not really surprising. Still, it's frustrating because I know plenty of people will refrain from taking more than one because of the price. On the Webstore, three are sold at 360€. Just three monsters for the price of a true army at 40k. And I'm already struggling to try to justify my own purchase of just one Stardrake.

GW is clearly seeing Stormcast as Space Marines, and think that plenty of fanboyz will run to buy them en masse. Yeah, well, they're not Space Marines, it's really not the same feeling. Too bad for the Stardrake, price is set and now they can't go back on it.

It is amazing that GW has managed to convince people that a huge $140 dragon or an Imperial Knight don't qualify as centerpieces of your army, but are something you should field "a large number" of.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
It is amazing that GW has managed to convince people that a huge $140 dragon or an Imperial Knight don't qualify as centerpieces of your army, but are something you should field "a large number" of.

Kanluwen wrote:Something you could potentially see a large number of fielded at once

Nobody has said "should" except for you.

And quite frankly? Things lose their value as a centerpiece when you have multiples. An Imperial Knight fielded in an Oathsworn Detachment as an Ally for an Imperial force? That's a centerpiece!

An Imperial Knight fielded as part of a Household Detachment, where you have at least 3 Knights, possibly 5? It loses its "wow!" factor.

Drakesworn Templars, being 'minor' heroes effectively, suffer from the same dilemma as the Caledor Dragon Mages in the old High Elf book: They're minor heroes mounted upon an impressive mount, but you can take a moderately high number of them devaluing the model as a centerpiece.

 malfred wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 malfred wrote:

I get that they wanted the Space Marines to ride dragons that

was the [MOD] accidentally applied to your name?

Was the judge title accidentally applied to your username?

No, that was an intentional part of my username that carries no weight or significance. However, the [MOD] - assuming it means you are a moderator - implies a sense of impartiality instead of flame-bait trolling. Don't worry thought, as I reported your post as flame-bait initially, as MODs are not immune to Dakka's rules. Plus there's no way you could be following AoS N&R threads and think that Stormcast Eternals are space marines unless you were specifically trolling.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 insaniak wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

Submission for Worst Miniatures Ever Made By Mankind

Spoiler:

They're certainly silly looking, and I like exaggeration as much as the next fifteen billion people... But those are not even close to being the worst miniatures ever made by the company that brought us the original Lemartes, or Nagash, let alone the worst ever made by anyone.


Meanwhile, I believe the discussion at hand is actually about interdimensional star dragons, not GWs sculpting track record.

My original comment was that
Man, those sprues are sweet. Once again incredibly apparent that GW has their top tier sculptors working exclusively on AoS while 40k has been handed off to the unpaid interns.

But congrats on selectively editing that The Wulfen Murderpack and the last year worth of 40k releases have been consistently the worst ever produced by the company, while Age of Sigmar's have been their best.
My assertion still stands.

 Kanluwen wrote:


Drakesworn Templars, being 'minor' heroes effectively, suffer from the same dilemma as the Caledor Dragon Mages in the old High Elf book: They're minor heroes mounted upon an impressive mount, but you can take a moderately high number of them devaluing the model as a centerpiece.

Seriously? What size games were you playing?

At 2,000 points, it was always a squeeze just getting one of those dudes in, because you wanted a level 2 Mage on foot as well to give a decent spread of Lores (both backing up your level 4 Archmage, natch), and while the End Times point spreads helped, all you were really doing was depriving your force of the stuff you really needed - the Archers, the Swordmasters, the Bolt Throwers...

I don't think I ever fielded more than one dragon in a High Elf force, and we took things to 3,000-odd points often enough.

It is possible I don't play these games in the same way as other people

MongooseMatt wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


Drakesworn Templars, being 'minor' heroes effectively, suffer from the same dilemma as the Caledor Dragon Mages in the old High Elf book: They're minor heroes mounted upon an impressive mount, but you can take a moderately high number of them devaluing the model as a centerpiece.

Seriously? What size games were you playing?

At 2,000 points, it was always a squeeze just getting one of those dudes in, because you wanted a level 2 Mage on foot as well to give a decent spread of Lores (both backing up your level 4 Archmage, natch), and while the End Times point spreads helped, all you were really doing was depriving your force of the stuff you really needed - the Archers, the Swordmasters, the Bolt Throwers...

I don't think I ever fielded more than one dragon in a High Elf force, and we took things to 3,000-odd points often enough.

It is possible I don't play these games in the same way as other people

I never said that the people who fielded those were sensical! Don't you go accusing me of that crap, MongooseMatt!

In all seriousness, I know of one person who fielded as many of them as he could get away with. He liked Dragons, so he fielded Dragon Mages.

I saw these models

Altough the pose of the Exalted Deathbringer is kinda strange, I like all three of them from the first look.

Edit: prices look like 23€ for each?

Oh, new Khorne ... so exciting!

Khorne, Khorne, Nurgle, Khorne, Nurgle, Nurgle, Khorne... blah.

 insaniak wrote:

It makes no difference if the side pieces are hinged, so long as there is a solid cap over the actual joint. The only way that hinges at those points would help is if the entire cap piece pops forwards off the wing when it extends.

Which would make sense if it's supposed to be some sort of projectile weapon, but really doesn't otherwise.

Only if the centre piece is actually attached to the wing, which it shouldn't be. Assuming it isn't, that means the two sides are attached while the middle piece is meant to move up and down with them. It's a bit complex for such a negligible amount of armour, which is what makes it silly. Maybe it is a projectile weapon, then; this is Age of Sigmar, and such ludicrous concepts wouldn't be out of place. The Lord-Celestant shoots hammers by swishing his cloak at people, after all.

EDIT: "Groan" at yet more Khorne, but at least these ones don't look completely stupid and don't have ridiculous names like "Bloodstoker" or "Bloodsecrator".

horuslupercal1988 wrote:
I saw these models

Yes, yes, and thrice yes. Anyone building a sizeable Bloodbound horde has been wanting variations among the Gorechosen - after all, you might well have two Slaughterpriests in the same force, but you want them looking different...

This will save some conversion work that I was not entirely certain how to proceed with.

Liking this.