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2016/04/19 18:45:09
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
I love the idea of the drummer guy drumming everyone else. A more dynamic pose and that model could be a real winner. Sadly I still just see air traffic control.
The weirdnob is still my fav. A great model!
Lastly, is that Tzeentch sorcerer called Charizard? :-p
Bye bye Dakkadakka, happy hobbying! I really enjoyed my time on here. Opinions were always my own :-)
2016/04/19 18:48:43
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
Kanluwen wrote: That named Ironjawz Megaboss is crazy good. Him with a formation of Moonclan Grots or Troggors or Giants is gonna be kinda scary.
Yeah man, that command ability is banana-town. Need to see what new formations come in with these books.
“It was in lands of the Chi-An where she finally ran him to ground. There she kissed him deeply as he lay dying, and so stole from him his last, agonized breath.
On a delicate chain at her throat, she keeps it with her to this day.”
2016/04/19 21:32:13
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
"Weirdnob?" Since when have they been called nobs in fantasy?
Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
Mother earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe, but I was not offended. For I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own gak.
2016/04/19 23:02:01
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
That's a good point, Ted. I'm not familiar with "nob" being used to describe fantasy orcs. Perhaps GW is trying to capitalize on the success of 40k Orks in a similar fashion, as these guys look like they'd fit in 40k easily with some shootas and power kables.
2016/04/19 23:37:25
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
Although the air traffic control pose is immediately apparent, that model sticks in my mind quite a bit, and despite the pose or perhaps because of it, I think it would be a favourite of mine in the end. Kind of how I now love the original Knight Heraldor. Goofily iconic.
2016/04/20 00:03:34
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
I don't think black orcs exist anymore, as none of these looks very dark skinned. Same with the redone old black orc kit in yellow paint. The style remains but the theme of big orks being darker is probably gone. All of the new orcs look small headed too, whereas the savage orcs and older black orcs all had larger more ape like body shapes.
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2016/04/20 01:06:00
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
Bottle wrote: Sadly I still just see air traffic control.
Why sad? Juxtapose him with the maw krusha in your imagination and prepare for mirth. Grumpiest airport in the Mortal Realms.
Lol, well done man
And that first Maw Krusha head does look grumpy. So much that I love it . The black armor on the orc is a huge improvement, too, but if I pick up one of these it will just be for the mount. Really nice that it doesn't have a saddle marring it
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2016/04/20 02:46:57
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
Plumbumbarum wrote: So another release based on the grand idea that if the whole thing fails, at least 40k players will buy some.
GW is such a creative force nowadays.
And as ever, you're posting your usual trollish comments, despite supposedly having no interest in Age of Sigmar...
Of course I am interested in Age of Sigmar, especialy the new releases, don't think I've ever claimed otherwise. You have to look no further than my signature where someone else explained the sentiment better than I ever could and it's still very actual for me.
Not to mention, for the 246th time, that even if I wasn't interested in the game, models or fluff, I'd still have to stick around because armies/ models get the axe and there are still a lot of whfb models I want to buy.
Also, while indeed I am a natural born troll, I still can't see how what I posted isn't a valid criticism. The 40k twist on fantasy is obvious and at least you have to question it, is it because GW always wanted to do it, the idea not executed burning their minds and eating their souls from inside out or is it a cynical attempt at profit with the game written with marketing and legal departments checklists in hands?
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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.
A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.
How could I look away?
2016/04/20 06:02:56
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
Plumbumbarum wrote: So another release based on the grand idea that if the whole thing fails, at least 40k players will buy some.
GW is such a creative force nowadays.
And as ever, you're posting your usual trollish comments, despite supposedly having no interest in Age of Sigmar...
Also, while indeed I am a natural born troll, I still can't see how what I posted isn't a valid criticism. The 40k twist on fantasy is obvious and at least you have to question it, is it because GW always wanted to do it, the idea not executed burning their minds and eating their souls from inside out or is it a cynical attempt at profit with the game written with marketing and legal departments checklists in hands?
It seems perfectly obvious and reasonable to view this release wave of Orcs as being created with one eye on the 40K Ork players. Not sure what exactly is trollng about stating the obvious; you just have to look back through the last few pages of posts to see the warm reception from players who would mainly be 40K players and how anybody couldn't look at those meganob armoured Ironjaw Orcs as being a good equivalent to the 40K variant is beyond me.
A grudge never too old to settle with metal and ire on the funeral pyre of vanquished foe
2016/04/20 06:16:35
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
Plumbumbarum wrote: So another release based on the grand idea that if the whole thing fails, at least 40k players will buy some.
GW is such a creative force nowadays.
And as ever, you're posting your usual trollish comments, despite supposedly having no interest in Age of Sigmar...
Also, while indeed I am a natural born troll, I still can't see how what I posted isn't a valid criticism. The 40k twist on fantasy is obvious and at least you have to question it, is it because GW always wanted to do it, the idea not executed burning their minds and eating their souls from inside out or is it a cynical attempt at profit with the game written with marketing and legal departments checklists in hands?
It seems perfectly obvious and reasonable to view this release wave of Orcs as being created with one eye on the 40K Ork players. Not sure what exactly is trollng about stating the obvious; you just have to look back through the last few pages of posts to see the warm reception from players who would mainly be 40K players and how anybody couldn't look at those meganob armoured Ironjaw Orcs as being a good equivalent to the 40K variant is beyond me.
They would look really good converted to 40k, but the armor isn't even remotely similar to the boxy power armour on the meganobs. These guys are wearing stylized plate armour. I think the color is throwing some people off.
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2016/04/20 06:38:39
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
While I agree that there is a 40kish look to these minis there are a couple of points worth bringing up. One is that the fantasy releases have always had one eye on the 40k market.The standard fantasy orcs and 40k orcs are deliberately freely interchangeable. The leg and arm connections are identical, and the heads are only slightly different. The two kits were designed with kit bashing in mind, especially if you want to make a snakebite army.
The scond point is that if you showed these kits to a layman unfamiliar with Gw, I dont think anyone would describe them as anything other than fantasy miniatures.
There isn't anything shown that you couldn't make with a hammer and a traditional forge. In fact the brutes' armour would be considerably easier to make than the black orcs' as there are no seams.
2016/04/20 07:28:43
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote: It seems perfectly obvious and reasonable to view this release wave of Orcs as being created with one eye on the 40K Ork players. Not sure what exactly is trollng about stating the obvious; you just have to look back through the last few pages of posts to see the warm reception from players who would mainly be 40K players and how anybody couldn't look at those meganob armoured Ironjaw Orcs as being a good equivalent to the 40K variant is beyond me.
Problem is that when before there was TWO distinct lines now there's more like 1.5(or 1.3). Only difference being basically "does it have gun or not".
This trims down potential customers. Thing is 40k player buying those isn't really more profit for GW. One player can only buy so much stuff either due to painting time limited or money being limited. Therefore money 40k players put into this is money away they spend from 40k models...+-0.
By reducing different lines they reduce their potential customer base. Not that smart move...
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2016/04/20 07:36:05
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
Two headed god for orruks, yes. I guess you can picture him like this;
With more green.
That faction seems to be quite elite looking - and it indeed feels a lot like Snakebite Big Boss and Nobz coming from 40k to conquer it all.
Maw-Crusha is indeed cool. Wouldn't paint their armor like they did, though.Maybe it's just me, but they look rather silly in yellow.
Not really inspired by this release, I must say. The only thing I like is the Maw Crusha, and I must say it's only the monster. The orc riding it...no, it just doesn't make it to me. I mean, seriously? Riding the beast like this? Guess that's very orkish...sorry, I meant orruk-ish. Yeah, that's the problem, it's that 40k feeling again. I can't see them other than being Snakebites wannabe miniatures.
2016/04/20 08:40:09
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
Lady Atia wrote:
The old Warboss on Wyvern is sold out, and afaik rests in peace. Azhag is back in stock and still available though (and should be in the future afaik).
2016/04/20 18:45:59
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
Plumbumbarum wrote: So another release based on the grand idea that if the whole thing fails, at least 40k players will buy some.
GW is such a creative force nowadays.
And as ever, you're posting your usual trollish comments, despite supposedly having no interest in Age of Sigmar...
Also, while indeed I am a natural born troll, I still can't see how what I posted isn't a valid criticism. The 40k twist on fantasy is obvious and at least you have to question it, is it because GW always wanted to do it, the idea not executed burning their minds and eating their souls from inside out or is it a cynical attempt at profit with the game written with marketing and legal departments checklists in hands?
It seems perfectly obvious and reasonable to view this release wave of Orcs as being created with one eye on the 40K Ork players. Not sure what exactly is trollng about stating the obvious; you just have to look back through the last few pages of posts to see the warm reception from players who would mainly be 40K players and how anybody couldn't look at those meganob armoured Ironjaw Orcs as being a good equivalent to the 40K variant is beyond me.
They would look really good converted to 40k, but the armor isn't even remotely similar to the boxy power armour on the meganobs. These guys are wearing stylized plate armour. I think the color is throwing some people off.
Yeah I see where you are coming from with the differences in the design of the armour on both sets of models but they do instantly remind me of meganobz when I see them and have the same stature. I don't think I would be the first to see this as I think this kit will do really well for Ork players looking to add a bit of variety to their faction. It will be interesting to see when people get a chance to try intermixing these two kits. That said you also have a very good point about the colour they are painted in being a factor in associating them with meganobz! It surely can't be a coincidence that they have been painted to look like Bad Moons?! Will be interesting to see them painted up in very sombre tones with a more weathered metal appearance to them.
tneva82 wrote:
Spoiler:
Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote: It seems perfectly obvious and reasonable to view this release wave of Orcs as being created with one eye on the 40K Ork players. Not sure what exactly is trollng about stating the obvious; you just have to look back through the last few pages of posts to see the warm reception from players who would mainly be 40K players and how anybody couldn't look at those meganob armoured Ironjaw Orcs as being a good equivalent to the 40K variant is beyond me.
Problem is that when before there was TWO distinct lines now there's more like 1.5(or 1.3). Only difference being basically "does it have gun or not".
This trims down potential customers. Thing is 40k player buying those isn't really more profit for GW. One player can only buy so much stuff either due to painting time limited or money being limited. Therefore money 40k players put into this is money away they spend from 40k models...+-0.
By reducing different lines they reduce their potential customer base. Not that smart move...
But it could also be seen as smart from a strategic perspective. If there is a risk in very low sales of some of the AOS models (as its really only starting out without given reliable fanbase yet) then any products that have cross-over appeal to 40K have a better chance of being successful. I would guess that this Orc release will do much better than the previous Fyreslayer release in part because of this factor.
The Maw Crusher is growing on me. Really want to see it from side and back to get a better idea of it; from first glance the wings don't look very convincing or practical but it has an extremely appealing front stature and even if the wings at the back don't work they could easily be modelled off it. I would even be tempted to have it as a proxy for an Idol of Mork..
A grudge never too old to settle with metal and ire on the funeral pyre of vanquished foe
2016/04/20 19:09:53
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote: But it could also be seen as smart from a strategic perspective. If there is a risk in very low sales of some of the AOS models (as its really only starting out without given reliable fanbase yet) then any products that have cross-over appeal to 40K have a better chance of being successful. I would guess that this Orc release will do much better than the previous Fyreslayer release in part because of this factor.
Then again they went with the AOS with idea of it being _huge_ success. Planning cross-over appeal(which is +-0 anyway in that it doesn't really add more money toward GW's direction) is not what you would do when you are confident it's going to be success from the get-go.
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2016/04/20 20:56:00
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Orruks Pre-Order April 23
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.