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Well this is certainly interesting. I honestly thought they were going to phone when it came to implementation, but a book priced right is far more then I expected.

Will they have the basic core "points" rules free like the regular rules are now? Will warscroll PDFs get updated with point values, or will it be just a list saying "this scroll costs this much" ?

 Necros wrote:
Will they have the basic core "points" rules free like the regular rules are now? Will warscroll PDFs get updated with point values, or will it be just a list saying "this scroll costs this much" ?

Those exact details aren't available yet.

Hoping they're on future podcasts from these guys (if they do know).

 Necros wrote:
Will they have the basic core "points" rules free like the regular rules are now? Will warscroll PDFs get updated with point values, or will it be just a list saying "this scroll costs this much" ?

At this point this is really my only area of concern. I sincerely hope that point values are not relegated to a physical text and are kept in digital (and easily updated) format.

The day before my birthday. Right lads, you know what to do!

I definitely would expect this and the Grand Alliance books to be part of an "essentials" range sort of thing, cheap and mass-produced, with the vague assumption that anyone who wants to to a book will start with those, even though they are not necessary.

Will the points & battleplans be added to the app, is perhaps the really interesting question. I would be very unsurprised by something like, "Points for units through 2016" being a micro-transaction for say a fiver, even as I hope for them to be freely accessible.

Chikout wrote:
Veterannoob typing on a phone I think. There was a photo going around showing that if you remove the mohecan from the fyreslayers, they are exactly the same height as the 8th edition Dwarves. The models have certainly got bigger in Aos but I don't think the scale has. If next week does turn out to be new zombies, we should find out then. Failing that I am hopeful that the silver tower game will have regular humans.

Yeah, stupid iPhone hates me. But yes, you're right. And if that's not a typo and you meant Mohecan that's actually pretty cool But the base is crucial a 32mm base is higher off the ground than 20 or 25 dwarfs are on in some pics.


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Something for everybody...excellent!

I've listened to the entire podcast. The main thing that struck me was that it doesn't seem like these guys will actually be involved in continued development of the game and points system. They basically got to come in for a one-day play session to meet the designers and give feedback on what GW had at the time and their thoughts about the whole process, but they certainly won't be using SCGT comp or any existing points system, and it won't be further developed by the community but by GW. I could be wrong but nothing I heard on the podcast indicated otherwise. It's obviously still a big deal that they even did this, but I like many others sort of assumed the points system and competitive side would be continuously developed along with the community. It could obviously be that they will be involved but can't talk about it.

One thing that really illustrated how different GWs thought process is to many GW gamers is Jervis thoughts on how Warhammer is about two "directors" meeting and creating a battle together. I thought of dakka when I heard that, and smiled :-D

160 pages for 15 GBP sounds about right if it's softcover like the Grand Alliance books. I'm liking this direction for AoS.

 Mymearan wrote:
I've listened to the entire podcast. The main thing that struck me was that it doesn't seem like these guys will actually be involved in continued development of the game and points system. They basically got to come in for a one-day play session to meet the designers and give feedback on what GW had at the time and their thoughts about the whole process, but they certainly won't be using SCGT comp or any existing points system, and it won't be further developed by the community but by GW. I could be wrong but nothing I heard on the podcast indicated otherwise. It's obviously still a big deal that they even did this, but I like many others sort of assumed the points system and competitive side would be continuously developed along with the community. It could obviously be that they will be involved but can't talk about it.

One thing that really illustrated how different GWs thought process is to many GW gamers is Jervis thoughts on how Warhammer is about two "directors" meeting and creating a battle together. I thought of dakka when I heard that, and smiled :-D

yeah I'd hoped that this would have been the first of many meetings with various community members. I guess that may still happen, but this product needs as many outside eyes as possible on it while it is still in development especially from those a little more critical of AOS.

 Necros wrote:
Will they have the basic core "points" rules free like the regular rules are now? Will warscroll PDFs get updated with point values, or will it be just a list saying "this scroll costs this much" ?

I'd hazard a guess the latter. GW appear very clear just on the approach thus far that AoS will have 3 distinct play modes, points being a part of one of them. Updating warscrolls to include points would muddy the waters.

The Facebook page did say that rules will continue to be free so I imagine that the basic points will be available digitally in some way. So like before you buy the book for the battle plans, the campaigns and the convenience. If it is halfway decent I will probably bite at the £15 price point.

With 2000 pts being about a 2.5 hr battle,it sounds to me like they very well could be using the SDK formula,or something along those lines,which if true would be great

 ShaneTB wrote:
Hello.

From comments here: https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/720

Also more GW manager conversations. Talk of a target store date:

Summer = 23rd July (ish) - start of British School Holidays?....

...local GW store manager confirmed that's the target date for release

That would put it the day after my birthday...

Man, I would rather they release Shadowkin then!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ShaneTB wrote:
Hello.

From comments here: https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/720

Also more GW manager conversations. Talk of a target store date:

Summer = 23rd July (ish) - start of British School Holidays?....

...local GW store manager confirmed that's the target date for release

That would put it the day after my birthday...

Man, I would rather they release Shadowkin then!

ugh... July.
hopefully we get some decent sneak peeks before then... so farrrrr......

The main thing that struck me was that it doesn't seem like these guys will actually be involved in continued development of the game and points system. They basically got to come in for a one-day play session to meet the designers and give feedback on what GW had at the time and their thoughts about the whole process, but they certainly won't be using SCGT comp or any existing points system, and it won't be further developed by the community but by GW

I can't give details (yet), but - The visit was only one day, but there has been a lot of back and forth with email/calls etc over a period of time, GW have really been open/co-operative about this. Bear in mind various guys that are involved with the books their end are also solid tournament players, so its not guys that don't play writing this stuff to start with. This really is a 'new world' (or 'Age' maybe....).

D

HeelanHammer wrote:

The main thing that struck me was that it doesn't seem like these guys will actually be involved in continued development of the game and points system. They basically got to come in for a one-day play session to meet the designers and give feedback on what GW had at the time and their thoughts about the whole process, but they certainly won't be using SCGT comp or any existing points system, and it won't be further developed by the community but by GW

I can't give details (yet), but - The visit was only one day, but there has been a lot of back and forth with email/calls etc over a period of time, GW have really been open/co-operative about this. Bear in mind various guys that are involved with the books their end are also solid tournament players, so its not guys that don't play writing this stuff to start with. This really is a 'new world' (or 'Age' maybe....).

D

That sounds pretty incredible, happy to hear it

If the points are paper-only and thus never changing, this will result in the same kind of GW-points that we have been used to for the past couple decades - easily exploitable tournament meta that destroys a large chunk of the model range for not being "optimal"

I hope that whatever this system is is something that gets updated regularly as people bust it.

Overall I'm still just happy the response has been quick and with the suggestions of those actually playing the game.

 RiTides wrote:
Hopefully some fine Dakkanaut will take size comparison pics compared to an Ork Boy / Nob / Warboss (or ideally all 3!) upon release . Could definitely make for some sweet conversions!

not quite what you asked for but this popped up on FB

wow that boss is huge!
I love the fact that the ironjawz seem to have moved away from the squat gorilla stance and seem to be more towards a normal walking stance.
ive been hoping for that for ages.

Yeah, I agree, the pose is a lot better.. just more natural.

The black primed figure is unit champion from the black orc plastics, right?

I want to see an Ogre posed with these new guys!

New stuff looks suitably impressive. Already dumping stuff on eBay in preparation!

Hmm. You know, seeing that image, I might be coming around to the Brutes, it looks like almost all of the extra height is accounted for in the change of leg-style and the bulk by the big armour plates(which if I'm interpreting the sprues properly is reasonably optional if you're prepared to fill some holes on the pectorals).

The Warboss is still a no-go, since the armour is moulded right on to the figure and I hate that style.

As for this points thing - podcasts are literally one of the worst formats to convey information, I wish folk would just post the actual info as text that people can read quickly and easily and use the podcast format for what it's good at(ie opinion/banter/debate), rather than holding the info hostage to get people to listen to their shows.

 Yodhrin wrote:
podcasts are literally one of the worst formats to convey information, I wish folk would just post the actual info as text that people can read quickly and easily and use the podcast format for what it's good at(ie opinion/banter/debate), rather than holding the info hostage to get people to listen to their shows.

this... +1

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Everything seems to be getting a "heroic" up sizing, though GW minis were already bigger than most.

wasn't this disproven through some side by sides with bloodbound and fyreslayers vs older minis?
I thought that the general consensus was that they only seem bigger since they are no longer restricted to regimental static poses?

It was. But seems like nobody wants to admit it.

Now with the new pictures, are we certain there's no up sizing going on??? That boss is huge and I like it!

Interesting this rule book drops a month after the new MKIII rules

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Everything seems to be getting a "heroic" up sizing, though GW minis were already bigger than most.

wasn't this disproven through some side by sides with bloodbound and fyreslayers vs older minis?
I thought that the general consensus was that they only seem bigger since they are no longer restricted to regimental static poses?

It was. But seems like nobody wants to admit it.

Now with the new pictures, are we certain there's no up sizing going on??? That boss is huge and I like it!

I can definitely see where you're coming from but I think that this might be a case of comparing apples and oranges.
if they had an old standard human next to a new standard human and the new model was bigger than i'd agree but this is a particularly nasty new brand of orc which should be bigger than standard orcs at least according to their fluff much like the stormcast should be bigger than their mortal followers.
now if you're saying that everything they are releasing lately is bigger than yes, id agree although with the caveat that it is all new stuff and it is things that should be bigger at least in the fluff.
again I refer to the fyreslayers... they are not physically taller although I can see the argument of them looking taller due to their bling...

 reds8n wrote:
not quite what you asked for but this popped up on FB

Wow, thanks red! The brute in the center is actually a little smaller than I expected, while the boss on the right is bigger. Very helpful

 Yodhrin wrote:

As for this points thing - podcasts are literally one of the worst formats to convey information, I wish folk would just post the actual info as text that people can read quickly and easily and use the podcast format for what it's good at(ie opinion/banter/debate), rather than holding the info hostage to get people to listen to their shows.

Baddice was casting round on Twitter today for a transcription service with double-quick turnaround times, so you might not be waiting long...


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 ShaneTB wrote:

D...d...daddy?