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2016/04/28 11:28:50
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Incoming Undead? + General's Handbook (AoS + points)
Chikout wrote: The Gwaos Facebook page staight up said that there will not be any more bloodbound stuff this year so next week's release will not be the khorgorath.
wow, that's interesting.
that leaves several models as exclusive to the starter set.
kind of surprising.
They said they would return to them eventually, so maybe next year. I am liking this kind of openness. I asked about silver tower. Thought it was worth a shot.
2016/04/28 11:44:32
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Incoming Undead? + General's Handbook (AoS + points)
The new Orruks are quite good. And that magaboss, so brutal and huge! I love it.
I did price out a small army of these guys and I had to chuckle to myself. I know AoS is really aimed at a lot of people who didn't play fantasy for whatever reason, and one of the reasons was that fantasy was to expensive. The ironic thing is that AoS is just as, if not more so, expensive.
Still, the models are great and if the new general's handbook is as good as it sounds I may have to give AoS another try.
It takes about two weeks to print and distribute a book like the GW rulebooks. Typesetting will take two to four probably, depending on the amount of content.
It will take longer to distribute worldwide, of course.
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It seems like at some point GW decided on the directive, "Let's just do everything the fans have been asking for and see how that works out."
Worldwide campaign would be awesome, and it might actually work really well in AoS because of the infinite realms, so they don't have to break anything in the lore to make it legitimate.
2016/04/28 13:04:22
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Incoming Undead? + General's Handbook (AoS + points)
coldgaming wrote: Not knowing any specifics about timelines, I think the idea with AoS was always to build onto the core 4 pages, as seen with the campaign books too.
Then why did they spend almost a year pushing HipsterHammer and claiming points were unwanted and unneeded in the Glorious AoS Future?
There's no way GW come out of this looking competent, sorry. Either this was a panic move they were forced into by terrible sales(and it's not actually as far-fetched as some are proposing, you can get printing done in Eastern Europe with a fairly low turnaround time, it's only the big runs from China that take ages, and if you recall the design studio pretty much pulled 3rd Ed 40K out of their arses at the last minute because management changed their plans), or it was their plan all along and they've spent the months since AoS launched intentionally alienating potential customers by insisting all the manky points-loving competitive sorts were unwelcome in their new Casual Narrative Paradise.
What's your opinion of the theory that AoS was a product of King Kirby, and the resurrection of points being introduced by Rountree?
It's possible, but I think there's a tendency to personify all GW's problems in Kirby and, by inverse implication, all their recent more positive rumblings as Rountree's doing, and I don't know that it's that simple. AoS pretty thoroughly embodies the kind of attitude on display in Jervis' forays into the public eye in recent years - was he following Kirby's line, or are the studio just genuine believers in that impractical "gentlemen's agreement" style of gaming? Is Rountree making the moves he's making because he genuinely thinks the company needs a new direction, or because he's reacting desperately to tanking revenue with a fairly scattergun approach? Realistically we can't tell until we're well past the transitional period(ie once we start seeing sprue dates on stuff that are from at least a year after Kirby left), and even then the real test of Rountree will be what he does if and when he turns things around - re-engaging with the community, more structure for AoS, event support etc etc are all great, but will they keep doing it if they return to growth? That will be when we know if Rountree has new ideas and wants to change the corporate culture, or if GW's current behaviour is just a ploy to bump up the next financial report.
I hope it's the former, but the years have taught me to be cynical.
I agree that the addition of a points system wasn't part of GW's initial plan for AoS. They were too committed to no points from launch to have planned to suddenly backtrack and release a community developed points system a year later. I think Rountree can be given credit from GW's willingness to listen to market/community feedback and to adapt AoS accordingly. If AoS had been the commercial success GW was hoping for when they developed it then we wouldn't be getting a points system, this is a reaction to poor sales not part of the original plan.
I'm happy GW is doing this and I think it will be good for the game and the community. I doubt that AoS will ever reach the level of success GW hoped for but I think that would be true even if a points system had been included at launch.
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
2016/04/28 13:56:36
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Incoming Undead? + General's Handbook (AoS + points)
To be honest that birdman doesn't look too hot, I want sleeker and more alien lines on their gear, not spiky armour in Tzeentch colours. The models somehow turn out better than the new artwork, though, even though the artists can only draw miniatures that (will) exists. S there's still hope.I want to do my Nurgle Carrion Crows vs. The 99 Ravens (or at least the blackclad warriors my imagination produces when reading that name) vs. Swanmaidens (Shieldwilf, hurry up!).
I really hope GW does away with their secrecy in the future and goea back to showing greens (or CAD screenshots), in-depth designer notes, sketches etc. to drum up excitement before and after releases.
PS: Hey, GW, how about giving the Bret line to FW inclusing the rumoured hippogryph sculpt and the Pegasi, so I can have a fourth "flyer" force. Please?
Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
2016/04/28 14:16:27
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Incoming Undead? + General's Handbook (AoS + points)
Well, at least the Axe looks like it could have cleaved the animals head!
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
2016/04/28 14:24:40
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Incoming Undead? + General's Handbook (AoS + points)
So for the "so that's the new Birdmen" exclaimers, you'll have to keep waiting to see what Tzeentch has planned.
@Coldgaming, Yes! A global event for the mortal realms would be epic! (No way for GW to get cornered by the fluff either)
Anyone think of suggesting on the facebook for Tomb king and Bretonnia upgrade sprues? Would be cheap to produce and allow people to customize their armies to the two old factions.
Kilkrazy wrote: It takes about two weeks to print and distribute a book like the GW rulebooks. Typesetting will take two to four probably, depending on the amount of content.
It will take longer to distribute worldwide, of course.
Couple months in cargo freight from China.
WD takes 3 months from being ready to being in shops.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2016/04/28 15:14:19
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Incoming Undead? + General's Handbook (AoS + points)
coldgaming wrote: It seems like at some point GW decided on the directive, "Let's just do everything the fans have been asking for and see how that works out."
Worldwide campaign would be awesome, and it might actually work really well in AoS because of the infinite realms, so they don't have to break anything in the lore to make it legitimate.
Problem with the infinite lore is then that there's no real _incentive_ to win or penalty for win.
You lost area? Okay go to next area and prepare for next fight. You won? Oh good. Only infinite amount more to win.
There needs to be some limit. Some price for losing. Endless territory does not good suspence make.
Haechi wrote:
I really hope Tzeentch is going to be more than horrors and demons. I've never enjoyed that part and I'm hoping for bad ass warriors like Khorne Bloodbounds or Blightknights or I'll just pass.
False rumors about "all" the GDs being finished are oddly persistent.
While the LoC was finished only recently (and is not in this box), the design team did start off this larger project with some smaller AoS Beastmen minions (technically Birdmen, I suppose) of Tzeentch. Watch out for those.
coldgaming wrote: It seems like at some point GW decided on the directive, "Let's just do everything the fans have been asking for and see how that works out."
Worldwide campaign would be awesome, and it might actually work really well in AoS because of the infinite realms, so they don't have to break anything in the lore to make it legitimate.
Problem with the infinite lore is then that there's no real _incentive_ to win or penalty for win.
You lost area? Okay go to next area and prepare for next fight. You won? Oh good. Only infinite amount more to win.
There needs to be some limit. Some price for losing. Endless territory does not good suspence make.
That has been reiterated many times in fluff threads, but I'm thinking a gamers' campaign that ends up being reflected in a campaign book in the future would be pretty awesome. I find the lore interesting and much more dynamic than before. Incorporating real-world campaigns would be pretty cool in my book. Gamers could actually shape the direction of the fluff. That's all speculation of course, no idea if the rumour is true or what form it would take
Giga-Ogres might well make it into my Imp Guard as Ogryns.
On a different note in this thread, I think we're half right, half wrong on the point about CEOs.
My suspicion is this. Yes the points costs introduction is a direct result of a change in CEO, no it was not the actual decisions of CEOs past or present that instigated it, rather that when you change the person at the top, you get a shift in the various powers that be below them. I would suggest that someone somewhere senior in GW prime has either been let go or relegated somewhat and we're seeing the result of either new ideas from a new creative boss in the ranks, or the freeing up of ideas previously held back by that individual's bottlenecking opinions. (or likely a combination of both). I'm also definitely seeing it in model design recently from GW prime and loving the change away from the ludicrous 80s toy look to a more recognizably mature design ethos. And the community interaction and inclusion on this release, it makes me happy, it's going to take a long time and hard work to undo so much of the damage wrought for the last 7 or so years (especially) with the IP mad, hyper aggressive, ultra legislative GW behind it's 'moat and wall', but I know I and many like me are still here, waiting to be fans again, wanting to go back to feeling good about the company that makes our favorite things.
Whatever it is, a) CEOs drift at far too high an altitude to be concerned about it beyond 'make us profitable' and b) I'm so very bloody glad it's happening. It's finally showing me a light at the end of the tunnel and I cannot express how happy I am to see a company that produces so much that I've loved for so long returning from a path that had seen me grow to hate it.
Haechi wrote:
I really hope Tzeentch is going to be more than horrors and demons. I've never enjoyed that part and I'm hoping for bad ass warriors like Khorne Bloodbounds or Blightknights or I'll just pass.
False rumors about "all" the GDs being finished are oddly persistent.
While the LoC was finished only recently (and is not in this box), the design team did start off this larger project with some smaller AoS Beastmen minions (technically Birdmen, I suppose) of Tzeentch. Watch out for those.
Haechi wrote:
I really hope Tzeentch is going to be more than horrors and demons. I've never enjoyed that part and I'm hoping for bad ass warriors like Khorne Bloodbounds or Blightknights or I'll just pass.
False rumors about "all" the GDs being finished are oddly persistent.
While the LoC was finished only recently (and is not in this box), the design team did start off this larger project with some smaller AoS Beastmen minions (technically Birdmen, I suppose) of Tzeentch. Watch out for those.
So the artwork is a first look at the new feathered minions of Tzeentch?
It's art from the last Ogre Kingdoms book so they might not look anything like that.
Much like anything else, artwork is done in advance. There's a Wood Elf piece that didn't make it into the Wood Elf book but did appear as posters for store birthdays. It's Wild Riders fighting Nurgle stuff, and it's done in a similar style to some of the new AoS art.
2016/04/28 16:02:12
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Incoming Undead? + General's Handbook (AoS + points)
Haechi wrote:
I really hope Tzeentch is going to be more than horrors and demons. I've never enjoyed that part and I'm hoping for bad ass warriors like Khorne Bloodbounds or Blightknights or I'll just pass.
False rumors about "all" the GDs being finished are oddly persistent.
While the LoC was finished only recently (and is not in this box), the design team did start off this larger project with some smaller AoS Beastmen minions (technically Birdmen, I suppose) of Tzeentch. Watch out for those.
So the artwork is a first look at the new feathered minions of Tzeentch?
It's art from the last Ogre Kingdoms book so they might not look anything like that.
Much like anything else, artwork is done in advance. There's a Wood Elf piece that didn't make it into the Wood Elf book but did appear as posters for store birthdays. It's Wild Riders fighting Nurgle stuff, and it's done in a similar style to some of the new AoS art.
The OK book was 4/5 years ago. I get that stuff is done in advance, but there's a difference between the WE book that was a year before AoS and the OK book that was the second book of 8th edition.
The OK book was 4/5 years ago. I get that stuff is done in advance, but there's a difference between the WE book that was a year before AoS and the OK book that was the second book of 8th edition.
Did you consider that, perhaps, the Birdmen were something that got concepted before AoS and never got produced until now?
The OK book was 4/5 years ago. I get that stuff is done in advance, but there's a difference between the WE book that was a year before AoS and the OK book that was the second book of 8th edition.
Did you consider that, perhaps, the Birdmen were something that got concepted before AoS and never got produced until now?
Yes. I never said that they wouldn't look like this art? I just pointed out it's an old bit of art so the models might not be based off of it. People seemed to be under the impression that it was a piece of AoS art and therefore this was a big indicator of what the birdmen might look like.
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No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester 
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k 
