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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/13 07:50:03
Subject: What weapon config for Stormcast Vanguard Wing?
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With bare bones 9 Prosecutors and 10 Liberators what's a decent weapon config?
Double Hammer or Hammer & Shield Prosecutors?
Double Sword, Sword & Shield, Double Hammer or Hammer & Shield Liberators?
Does the above change with a different ratio of Prosecutors and Liberators?
Thanks for the opinions!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/13 22:30:34
Subject: What weapon config for Stormcast Vanguard Wing?
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Answering my own question here. A friend did some calculations (that I won't pretend to understand) and apparently once you get buffs from Formations or Heroes, then dual Hammers on both Procs and Libs start to win out in all cases.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/14 02:53:10
Subject: Re:What weapon config for Stormcast Vanguard Wing?
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For prosecutors, the optimal (cheese) approach is to have one prosecutor with a shield and the rest with double hammers, and the one with the shield is the last to die.
For liberators, the optimal (cheese) approach is to have one liberator with a shield and the rest with double hammers or blades, and the one with the shield is the last to die.
Models need to have the two weapons to get the two weapons re-roll. Only one model in the unit has to have a shield for the whole unit to get the shield re-roll.
If you have another source for the shield re-roll (formation or hero), they you can skip shields altogether.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/14 19:03:26
Subject: Re:What weapon config for Stormcast Vanguard Wing?
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endur wrote:For prosecutors, the optimal (cheese) approach is to have one prosecutor with a shield and the rest with double hammers, and the one with the shield is the last to die.
For liberators, the optimal (cheese) approach is to have one liberator with a shield and the rest with double hammers or blades, and the one with the shield is the last to die.
Models need to have the two weapons to get the two weapons re-roll. Only one model in the unit has to have a shield for the whole unit to get the shield re-roll.
If you have another source for the shield re-roll (formation or hero), they you can skip shields altogether.
Unfortunately you have to watch this because worded by the warscroll is "a unit can be equipped with either.." and most people will say its either the two weapons or the shield so no mixing in units. This has been a hot debate and at one point I was on the mixing side of things but since then I have had examples and points made to me that made me think otherwise. the strongest of all examples was the wording of that first paragraph of each warscroll.
As for hammer vs sword, I personally love the hammers, they do preform better in my exp and thematically look better too. With that said, my prosecutors are two hammers just cause i like the theme of it more that was started with the box set and I maintain shields on liberators cause they do take alot of hits and will need to score something when you need em to while staying alive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/16 14:40:40
Subject: Re:What weapon config for Stormcast Vanguard Wing?
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Solosam47 wrote:endur wrote:For prosecutors, the optimal (cheese) approach is to have one prosecutor with a shield and the rest with double hammers, and the one with the shield is the last to die.
For liberators, the optimal (cheese) approach is to have one liberator with a shield and the rest with double hammers or blades, and the one with the shield is the last to die.
Models need to have the two weapons to get the two weapons re-roll. Only one model in the unit has to have a shield for the whole unit to get the shield re-roll.
If you have another source for the shield re-roll (formation or hero), they you can skip shields altogether.
Unfortunately you have to watch this because worded by the warscroll is "a unit can be equipped with either.." and most people will say its either the two weapons or the shield so no mixing in units. This has been a hot debate and at one point I was on the mixing side of things but since then I have had examples and points made to me that made me think otherwise. the strongest of all examples was the wording of that first paragraph of each warscroll.
As for hammer vs sword, I personally love the hammers, they do preform better in my exp and thematically look better too. With that said, my prosecutors are two hammers just cause i like the theme of it more that was started with the box set and I maintain shields on liberators cause they do take alot of hits and will need to score something when you need em to while staying alive.
This is absolutely correct. You have to look at the warscroll to see how you can equip them.
Liberators are equipped as a Unit which means you can not mix dual hammers and hammer and shield, the only exception being the one granted for a Grandhammer or Grandblade. Varanguard are an example of a warscroll where each model can be equipped uniquely.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/16 15:18:52
Subject: Re:What weapon config for Stormcast Vanguard Wing?
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From my experience hammers all the way. On my Liberators I do like to have shields for that reroll of 1 has saved my bacon plenty of times.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/17 09:19:33
Subject: Re:What weapon config for Stormcast Vanguard Wing?
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Tenebris wrote:From my experience hammers all the way. On my Liberators I do like to have shields for that reroll of 1 has saved my bacon plenty of times.
+1
The double hammers weapon choice is the best for the Prosecutors as they more or less do a bit more damage in the shooting phase and are miles away better in close combat...
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