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Experiment 626 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You're exaggerating on their model line being worse than Sisters.

I mean, it isn't great, but the Sister models are frickin METAL. There's hardly any ability to customize (metal is a pain to work with) and everything is more expensive.

Sisters still look a heck of a lot nicer than CSM's, have far fewer miscast issues going for them, and don't have to and loot 2-3 other army's model lines just to build their own basic upgrades.
Besides, I'd easily jump for joy to see every last one of our multitude of Finecrap models go back to metal! At least it's possible to get a proper cast come out of those molds!

If Sisters were all Fineco$t, I'd agree that their model line is the absolute worst. Lucky for them, they're still metal. (though it's still infuriating & absolutely criminal that GW refuses to re-launch them in plastic.)

Except, you know, any of our transport vehicles. at all. Or basically any of our Battle Conclaves. Or the vast majority of options for our Priests. Or any of the options for the Dialogous. Or any models at all for our Celestian unit, or the Command Squad. Or the Dominion squad. Or the Retributor squad. Or one of the two options for special weapons in our Seraphim squads. Or the fact I just listed half our codex as being unavailable models.

Edit: Actually, thinking about it, we only really have models for three and a half HQs, a couple of HQ squad upgrades, our basic troops unit, one of our two Elites units, one of our two Fast Attack units, and three of our four Heavy Support units.

Which means we don't have models for more of our army than we do have models for.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You're exaggerating on their model line being worse than Sisters.

I mean, it isn't great, but the Sister models are frickin METAL. There's hardly any ability to customize (metal is a pain to work with) and everything is more expensive.

Sisters still look a heck of a lot nicer than CSM's, have far fewer miscast issues going for them, and don't have to and loot 2-3 other army's model lines just to build their own basic upgrades.
Besides, I'd easily jump for joy to see every last one of our multitude of Finecrap models go back to metal! At least it's possible to get a proper cast come out of those molds!

If Sisters were all Fineco$t, I'd agree that their model line is the absolute worst. Lucky for them, they're still metal. (though it's still infuriating & absolutely criminal that GW refuses to re-launch them in plastic.)

Except, you know, any of our transport vehicles. at all. Or basically any of our Battle Conclaves. Or the vast majority of options for our Priests. Or any of the options for the Dialogous. Or any models at all for our Celestian unit, or the Command Squad. Or the Dominion squad. Or the Retributor squad. Or one of the two options for special weapons in our Seraphim squads. Or the fact I just listed half our codex as being unavailable models.

Edit: Actually, thinking about it, we only really have models for three and a half HQs, a couple of HQ squad upgrades, our basic troops unit, one of our two Elites units, one of our two Fast Attack units, and three of our four Heavy Support units.

Which means we don't have models for more of our army than we do have models for.

Sadly it seems that GW is simply phasing out & squatting Sisters, rather than showing them any love... Still;
- The Rhino & Immolator kits existed. (Rhinos still exist, it's just the SoB upgrade frame that's been discontinued)
- Priests still exist. Check out the Missionary & Uriah Jacobus minis.
- Sister Dialogous is also still for sale on the Canadian webstore page.
- Celestrians are just fancier regular Battle Sisters, likewise the Command Squad. (and both the Hospitaller & Blessed Banner/Simularcum models are likewise available)
- Dominions are just a mix of regular Sisters + whatever special weapon floats your boat.
- Retributors are likewise just a mix of basic Sisters + whatever heavy weapon option.

Only thing really missing entirely (as in, never even produced and/or discontinued entirely) is the Inferno pistol upgrade for Seraphim and the now defunct Exorcist + Immolator/Rhino upgrade sprue.

Yes it's criminal how GW is treating Sisters players. But then, they're also not a regular in-store army...

Look what Chaos Marines, a long-standing staple of the entire game, ultimate 'big bad', greatest threat to the entire IoM, and one of the traditional 'Big 4' armies of the game are missing;
- only available plastic heavy weapon is a Heavy Bolter.
Only way to get the other options is to buy an ungodly number of Havoc kits. (at least Sisters can buy X amount of whatever specific weapon they want!)

- Not a single PA Combi-weapon component.

- Only available PA close combat upgrades are power swords, power fists and lightning claws. (only existing power maul is the DV model)

- Termies cannot build any kind of functional unit from their box, unless you buy it 3-4x over... Combi-plasma, power sword, power lance entirely missing. Only way to get lightning claws is to buy the Lord/Sorc kit in spades.
Kit itself only comes with 1x Combi-Melta/Flamer, 3x Combi-Bolters, 2x Power axes, Power maul, 2x Powerfists & Chainfist. (and heavy weapons obviously)

- Berserkers only come with enough Chainaxes for 50% of the unit.

- Chosen have been waiting only 15+ years for an actual kit! (so, same boat as Celestrians, though Chosen are still missing bitz for a solid chunk of their options)


Sisters are simply an absolute PitA to get a hold of... Chaos Marines actually have an easier time building the bulk of their army by buying Imperial & Ork kits instead of actual Chaos kits
Both armies end up costing almost equal $$$-wise due to their extreme lack of serviceable kits. However, Sisters at least can buy the majority of their stuff from within the actual SoB model range. Chaos Marines end up cheaper by instead buying regular Marine kits & just converting.

Hence why imho, the Chaos model line is in worse shape - it doesn't even cover the bare basics of what it should!

DorianGray wrote:
Arguably there are armies with worse codexes out there. Like Orks, Sisters of Battle, Imperial Guard and Tyranids

yet Spikey Space Marines takes up 90% of the whining on these forums with them demanding they deserve a full update with OP rules like back in 4th edition when everyone was running rofl-stomp Khorne Berzeker lists. Considering the OPness they enjoyed for so-long in 4th when every game was CSM players trying to get into assault to stomp face... is the amount of complaining really deserving?

The true reason probably is among the bad armies (Orks, Sisters, Tyranids, and CSM) CSM probably has the most fanboys because they are space Marines. Everyone wants their own army they collect to be good again. Sure Orks might suck way more than CSM but I don't play Orks so I could care less. There are or WERE a LOT of CSM players from back in 4th when they please don't use this term on Dakka like this. Reds8n everyone.

Thoughts?

just out of curiosity what word is not to be said on this forum? Was it a profanity or was it a term like Rape? If its the latter I have to say thats a bit high handed of you. The term isn't offensive, it merely describes a despicable action and is also used in slang form to describe how someone beats someone so completely that it wasn't even a fair fight. Now I highly agree with banning certain offensive words like profanities and racist names and such I disagree with blatant censorship, because down that road leads tyranny and despotism.


Anyway, back on topic.

Spike humies are bout as nerfed as us Boyz. GW needz ta fix dem.

ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:

DorianGray wrote:
Arguably there are armies with worse codexes out there. Like Orks, Sisters of Battle, Imperial Guard and Tyranids

yet Spikey Space Marines takes up 90% of the whining on these forums with them demanding they deserve a full update with OP rules like back in 4th edition when everyone was running rofl-stomp Khorne Berzeker lists. Considering the OPness they enjoyed for so-long in 4th when every game was CSM players trying to get into assault to stomp face... is the amount of complaining really deserving?

The true reason probably is among the bad armies (Orks, Sisters, Tyranids, and CSM) CSM probably has the most fanboys because they are space Marines. Everyone wants their own army they collect to be good again. Sure Orks might suck way more than CSM but I don't play Orks so I could care less. There are or WERE a LOT of CSM players from back in 4th when they please don't use this term on Dakka like this. Reds8n everyone.

Thoughts?

just out of curiosity what word is not to be said on this forum? Was it a profanity or was it a term like Rape? If its the latter I have to say thats a bit high handed of you. The term isn't offensive, it merely describes a despicable action and is also used in slang form to describe how someone beats someone so completely that it wasn't even a fair fight. Now I highly agree with banning certain offensive words like profanities and racist names and such I disagree with blatant censorship, because down that road leads tyranny and despotism.


Anyway, back on topic.

Spike humies are bout as nerfed as us Boyz. GW needz ta fix dem.

Just a note, I would suggest not asking why a Mod did something. They will explain what was wrong to the perpetrator and we leave it at that. Also, Fascist Mods joke, strike that one off the Dakka Dakka Bingo card.

Spikey Humans are worse than Boyz. Both need fixing.

ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:

Spoiler:

DorianGray wrote:
Arguably there are armies with worse codexes out there. Like Orks, Sisters of Battle, Imperial Guard and Tyranids

yet Spikey Space Marines takes up 90% of the whining on these forums with them demanding they deserve a full update with OP rules like back in 4th edition when everyone was running rofl-stomp Khorne Berzeker lists. Considering the OPness they enjoyed for so-long in 4th when every game was CSM players trying to get into assault to stomp face... is the amount of complaining really deserving?

The true reason probably is among the bad armies (Orks, Sisters, Tyranids, and CSM) CSM probably has the most fanboys because they are space Marines. Everyone wants their own army they collect to be good again. Sure Orks might suck way more than CSM but I don't play Orks so I could care less. There are or WERE a LOT of CSM players from back in 4th when they please don't use this term on Dakka like this. Reds8n everyone.

Thoughts?

just out of curiosity what word is not to be said on this forum? Was it a profanity or was it a term like Rape? If its the latter I have to say thats a bit high handed of you. The term isn't offensive, it merely describes a despicable action and is also used in slang form to describe how someone beats someone so completely that it wasn't even a fair fight. Now I highly agree with banning certain offensive words like profanities and racist names and such I disagree with blatant censorship, because down that road leads tyranny and despotism. .

Let's get one thing straight. Just because you don't find the assumed term offensive, that doesn't mean it isn't offensive.

You can sling any amount of profanity at me and I'll likely not bat an eyelid, but the use of that term does, and always has, make me uncomfortable.

Also, let's be fair, the only people generally using it out of context are kids out of their trees on energy drinks after too many hours on COD, any sensible grown up knows not to use it as some sort of vernacular.

 Azreal13 wrote:

ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:

Spoiler:

DorianGray wrote:
Arguably there are armies with worse codexes out there. Like Orks, Sisters of Battle, Imperial Guard and Tyranids

yet Spikey Space Marines takes up 90% of the whining on these forums with them demanding they deserve a full update with OP rules like back in 4th edition when everyone was running rofl-stomp Khorne Berzeker lists. Considering the OPness they enjoyed for so-long in 4th when every game was CSM players trying to get into assault to stomp face... is the amount of complaining really deserving?

The true reason probably is among the bad armies (Orks, Sisters, Tyranids, and CSM) CSM probably has the most fanboys because they are space Marines. Everyone wants their own army they collect to be good again. Sure Orks might suck way more than CSM but I don't play Orks so I could care less. There are or WERE a LOT of CSM players from back in 4th when they please don't use this term on Dakka like this. Reds8n everyone.

Thoughts?

just out of curiosity what word is not to be said on this forum? Was it a profanity or was it a term like Rape? If its the latter I have to say thats a bit high handed of you. The term isn't offensive, it merely describes a despicable action and is also used in slang form to describe how someone beats someone so completely that it wasn't even a fair fight. Now I highly agree with banning certain offensive words like profanities and racist names and such I disagree with blatant censorship, because down that road leads tyranny and despotism. .

Let's get one thing straight. Just because you don't find the assumed term offensive, that doesn't mean it isn't offensive.

You can sling any amount of profanity at me and I'll likely not bat an eyelid, but the use of that term does, and always has, make me uncomfortable.

Also, let's be fair, the only people generally using it out of context are kids out of their trees on energy drinks after too many hours on COD, any sensible grown up knows not to use it as some sort of vernacular.

Again off topic but I'll throw this out here. If "rape" was in fact the word that was censored, 1: why doesn't the website already do that for the mods, I have noticed that it already does so to profanity. and 2: we play a table top game based on a fluff where trillions of souls are enslaved, starved, worked to death, thrown to there deaths, millions die every day to feed a hungry empire. Orks and other Xenos species run around eating people, DE do all sorts of unspeakable things to one another as well as humans and xenos, but we can't stand a four letter word? The mere fact someone gets offended by something gives the word power (sorry going all harry potter on you). I have found that simply by not being offended by every little thing that comes along I live a happier life. It also helps that I worked in a very culturally diverse work place with lots of high stress environments that led to some pretty good team building. Insults, racial slurs, sexist jokes and such were the coin of the day and we all took it as good humor and came together and worked as a well oiled machine to get our jobs done.

If someone is truly offended by the word then I won't attempt to sway them to my point, but I will point out that the real world is neither friendly nor caring and the sooner you grow a thick skin the better.

Back on topic, Spikey humies and da Orkz R even. Both need GW love and both know deep down they will never get any :(

Spin me some more trite nonsense, do.

Perhaps it's a good thing that some words still have that power?

Perhaps it's the responsibility of us all to moderate our own language rather than rely on some automatic big brother to clean up our mistakes for us? Especially in an environment where what we write may be read by children.

Now, spare me the tissue paper justifications, and the "on topic" elements of your posts aren't fooling anyone (although this whole thread has been worthless since post1)

8/10. Would be patronized by again.

It IS an Internet forum to be fair. If you're THAT insulted by words you should probably go elsewhere. Like outside.

Yes, that's right, I'm insulted by all the words.

Because that was my point.

ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:

Spoiler:

DorianGray wrote:
Arguably there are armies with worse codexes out there. Like Orks, Sisters of Battle, Imperial Guard and Tyranids

yet Spikey Space Marines takes up 90% of the whining on these forums with them demanding they deserve a full update with OP rules like back in 4th edition when everyone was running rofl-stomp Khorne Berzeker lists. Considering the OPness they enjoyed for so-long in 4th when every game was CSM players trying to get into assault to stomp face... is the amount of complaining really deserving?

The true reason probably is among the bad armies (Orks, Sisters, Tyranids, and CSM) CSM probably has the most fanboys because they are space Marines. Everyone wants their own army they collect to be good again. Sure Orks might suck way more than CSM but I don't play Orks so I could care less. There are or WERE a LOT of CSM players from back in 4th when they please don't use this term on Dakka like this. Reds8n everyone.

Thoughts?

just out of curiosity what word is not to be said on this forum? Was it a profanity or was it a term like Rape? If its the latter I have to say thats a bit high handed of you. The term isn't offensive, it merely describes a despicable action and is also used in slang form to describe how someone beats someone so completely that it wasn't even a fair fight. Now I highly agree with banning certain offensive words like profanities and racist names and such I disagree with blatant censorship, because down that road leads tyranny and despotism. .

Let's get one thing straight. Just because you don't find the assumed term offensive, that doesn't mean it isn't offensive.

You can sling any amount of profanity at me and I'll likely not bat an eyelid, but the use of that term does, and always has, make me uncomfortable.

Also, let's be fair, the only people generally using it out of context are kids out of their trees on energy drinks after too many hours on COD, any sensible grown up knows not to use it as some sort of vernacular.

Again off topic but I'll throw this out here. If "rape" was in fact the word that was censored, 1: why doesn't the website already do that for the mods, I have noticed that it already does so to profanity. and 2: we play a table top game based on a fluff where trillions of souls are enslaved, starved, worked to death, thrown to there deaths, millions die every day to feed a hungry empire. Orks and other Xenos species run around eating people, DE do all sorts of unspeakable things to one another as well as humans and xenos, but we can't stand a four letter word? The mere fact someone gets offended by something gives the word power (sorry going all harry potter on you). I have found that simply by not being offended by every little thing that comes along I live a happier life. It also helps that I worked in a very culturally diverse work place with lots of high stress environments that led to some pretty good team building. Insults, racial slurs, sexist jokes and such were the coin of the day and we all took it as good humor and came together and worked as a well oiled machine to get our jobs done.

If someone is truly offended by the word then I won't attempt to sway them to my point, but I will point out that the real world is neither friendly nor caring and the sooner you grow a thick skin the better.

Back on topic, Spikey humies and da Orkz R even. Both need GW love and both know deep down they will never get any :(

Can't remember the quote from monty python and the holy grail but 'We are the knights who say Niiii!!!'. Yes I agree with you man it's absurd. At the end of the day you can't please everybody so trying not to offend somebody seems to be a very ridiculous thing. At the end of the day it's more intent behind the words that matters. Are chaos marines actually existing and doing said unspeakable things? If the answer is no then chances are you're ok. Sheesh this is just as bad people being offended when people use the word gay to mean something else. Once again it's intent. I'm not trying to insult those people. You don't ask why gay people keep calling themselves happy all the time.

Anyway sorry for that but I just had to rant.

End of the day what the mods say goes. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it but I do have to follow it if I want to be on the forum.

It's not about being offended or politically correct or whatever BS you think it is. It's about certain words retaining their power.

But go ahead and misuse it. I'm sure you'll come to regret it when a survivor reveals themselves to you. You'll feel like gak for a very long time. Assuming you're capable of empathy.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
It's not about being offended or politically correct or whatever BS you think it is. It's about certain words retaining their power.

But go ahead and misuse it. I'm sure you'll come to regret it when a survivor reveals themselves to you. You'll feel like gak for a very long time. Assuming you're capable of empathy.

Nope, I lost empathy years ago, I think it might have fallen behind the couch or possibly the washer and dryer, you know how hard it is to find things in those places.

So does that mean I shouldn't use the word murder? because someone might know someone who was murdered, or not use the word shoot or kill because I might one day run into someone who was shot or knew someone close to them who was killed? the logic behind that is flawed. Again, giving power to a word is absurd, we as a people need to realize that, as said earlier, it is intent that matters and not the words. "I murdered that Sandwich" Intent? I ate a sandwich with gusto. "I am going to murder you" Intent? I am going to inflict great bodily harm on you resulting in death. Same word, two different intents, are you offended by either?

Words are words, again grow a thicker skin.

I was out to dinner with a group of friends and I was telling the story of a friend from High School. She had started dating a guy a year younger than her. His Parents didn't like it so they filed rape charges against her. Caused a lot of drama in their relationship especially because she got pregnant.

After I finished one of the girls in our group broke down into tears because she had been raped. My story triggered her memories. I felt like gak for it because I have empathy.

If I was to follow your example I guess I should have told her to just "walk it off".

Grow a soul.

Well, that's enough of that.