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Made in ca
Foolproof Falcon Pilot




Ontario, Canada

So the term "Infiltrating" isn't defined anywhere in the rulebook. Going by the wording in the infiltrate special rule, Infiltrating doesn't seem to be optional. If says Infiltrators "...are deployed last..." not "...may be deployed last...". So if I set up my Striking Scorpions in my own deployment zone, are they still infiltrating and therefore gain the Shrouded special rule until they shoot/charge? What about if I hold them in reserve? Will they have the Shrouded special rule when they walk on the table? I'm looking to field Karandras and was wondering if his "Hunter's Strike" ability is worth it or not.

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Made in nz
Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran




Ankh Morpork

It's not explicitly stated, but I think there's a hint in the first paragraph of the Infiltrate rules:

"Units that contain at least one model with this special rule are deployed last, after all other units (friend and foe) have been deployed. If both sides have Infiltrators, the players roll-off and the winner decides who goes first, then alternate deploying these units."

The first sentence of course relates specifically to units with the Infiltrate special rule. The second sentence refers to Infiltrators on both sides, clearly referring to a situation in which both sides have units with the Infiltrate special rule.

That to me suggests Infiltrators are units with the Infiltrate special rule, which if going by the Infiltrate special rule are required to deploy last making them Infiltrating whether in your deployment zone or elsewhere on the table.

So far as keeping them as Reserves is concerned, the rule says, "...units of Infiltrators that are kept as Reserves." So once again I think they are always Infiltrators, i.e. units with the Infiltrate special rule, though I don't think that means they are always infiltrating. Infiltrating I think by common sense would be deploying via the rules for Infiltrate, rather than simply arriving from Reserves or via the Outflank special rule.

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Made in ca
Foolproof Falcon Pilot




Ontario, Canada

That's pretty much in line with how I was interpreting it as well, which is a shame. I was hoping for some magic rule or wording somewhere that I had missed. It's strange that a Phoenix Lord's special ability would counter the special ability of his own Aspect., not that Eldar really need any more shenanigans. Anywho, thanks for the input!
   
Made in us
Powerful Phoenix Lord





Dallas area, TX

And the fact that Infiltrates must be deployed last, further reinforces that IC's without Infiltrate can never join Infiltrators during deployment. Even if the inflitrators deploy within your deployment zone, the IC has to have been deployed first and thus isn't joined until your first turn begins (and he "moves" into the unit). Not an issue if you are going first, but if you are going second, could mean you IC get sniped.

So for the Daemon Incursion Tallyband, if people want to field only Nurglings, the Herald has to be deployed first (or put into reserve by himself), then the Nurglings get deployed. Best to field at least 1 Plaguebearer unit for the Herald to join

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Made in gb
Smokin' Skorcha Driver




London UK

 Galef wrote:
And the fact that Infiltrates must be deployed last, further reinforces that IC's without Infiltrate can never join Infiltrators during deployment. Even if the inflitrators deploy within your deployment zone, the IC has to have been deployed first and thus isn't joined until your first turn begins (and he "moves" into the unit). Not an issue if you are going first, but if you are going second, could mean you IC get sniped.

So for the Daemon Incursion Tallyband, if people want to field only Nurglings, the Herald has to be deployed first (or put into reserve by himself), then the Nurglings get deployed. Best to field at least 1 Plaguebearer unit for the Herald to join


This is covered in the rulebook errata which says,

An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit of Infiltrators during deployment, and vice versa.
   
 
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