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Last game I used chaos furies and my opponent used 1st veteran formation which reduces my unit's LD by -2 as long as at least 3 units from the formation are within 12" of my unit.

In the game, my chaos furies (LD2) became LD 0 by 1st veteran formation while trying to control objective in the center of the board.


By the time I removed the chaos furis as casualty, as I thought when a model became zero level characteristic it is removed as casualty.

After the game, I read rules again and I found it seems the model became casualty if only S, T, and W chararteristic became zero level.


If then, what happens if LD became 0?

In normal situation they cannot perform any leadership test, but Daemonic Instability allows them auto-pass pinning, fear, and morale test.

Nothing happens, except they cant make LD checks.

In that case can I assume they cannot perform any leadership check unless they are making fear, pinning and morale check which they automatically pass?

 buo-ong wrote:
In that case can I assume they cannot perform any leadership check unless they are making fear, pinning and morale check which they automatically pass?

Not really, no. Of zero-level characteristics (in the Models & Units section) the rulebook says:

"Some creatures have been given a 0 for certain characteristics, which means that they have no ability whatsoever in that field (the same is also occasionally represented by a ‘–’)."

In the case of Leadership tests I think you would still compare the test to the model's Leadership of zero, meaning anything but a double 1 would fail (given a double 1 is always a pass).

 Mr. Shine wrote:
In the case of Leadership tests I think you would still compare the test to the model's Leadership of zero, meaning anything but a double 1 would fail (given a double 1 is always a pass).

That was my reading of the rule too - given that snake eyes is always a pass, regardless of modifiers, I'd suggest that rule trumps their leadership of 0.

As I recall the only way 0 LD kills a model is if it's a result of using the Doomstone ( or whatever that Daemons Hell forged artifact is called ) Never seen that one on the table though.

I concur with Mr. Shine. In close combat if you lose so terribly that your modified Ld gets to 0 or below you need snake eyes to not suffer Daemonic Instability losses--and coincidentally get everything back that you lost in combat that turn. Same applies if you started at Ld 0. In Shooting, you auto-pass everything so a roll is moot, even if you're at 0.

Somewhere in the psychic rules, can't remember where, it states leadership can't be lowered to below 2. Not sure if that applies here.

nareik wrote:
Somewhere in the psychic rules, can't remember where, it states leadership can't be lowered to below 2. Not sure if that applies here.

That, as it says in the rules in question, applies specifically to cumulative different Blessings and Maledictions.

You psychic shriek their butts. That's what happens when you make a unit LD0. Sorry I don't have anything better to add

 Mr. Shine wrote:

 buo-ong wrote:
In that case can I assume they cannot perform any leadership check unless they are making fear, pinning and morale check which they automatically pass?

Not really, no. Of zero-level characteristics (in the Models & Units section) the rulebook says:

"Some creatures have been given a 0 for certain characteristics, which means that they have no ability whatsoever in that field (the same is also occasionally represented by a ‘–’)."

In the case of Leadership tests I think you would still compare the test to the model's Leadership of zero, meaning anything but a double 1 would fail (given a double 1 is always a pass).

Meaning the furies would pass fear, morale, and pinning tests automatically, but must still take deamonic instability tests at leadership 0. So anything but double 1s is bad news

"Meaning the furies would pass fear, morale, and pinning tests automatically, but must still take deamonic instability tests at leadership 0. So anything but double 1s is bad news "

But they're furies, so who cares?