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Sure was.

John D Law wrote:
Was this guy mentioned anywhere yet?

His WH community article previewing him was up ages ago; long enough that you'd be forgiven for forgetting his existence. Max Spleenripper was (I think) introduced in the 2016 edition for Chaos teams. Have to say I prefer the 2016 artwork for him to what we've got in miniature form but he's fun at least.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
So, anyway, Dungeon Bowl! ...

The new boxes set will contain ... a set of dungeon tiles that appear to be classic Warhammer Quest tiles re-scaled to new BB bases, plus two team dugouts.

Whoa.

I don't think those Warhammer Quest tiles have been resized at all. The original WHQ squares were quite large--bigger than 25mm squares, so that you didn't get too much crowding of models when hordes of monsters inevitably filled the room. I just checked mine, and a 32mm round base fits snugly into a classic WHQ square, just like the pics of the new Dungeonbowl tiles. Current Blood Bowl minis are on 32mm, aren't they?

Which means GW is, apparently, officially re-releasing the classic WHQ tileset for the first time since... the Fanatic mail-order days? Albeit with modernised art. Hopefully not too much Blood-Bowl-specific artwork, so that they can be used for generic dungeons as well.

I sense the distant antennae of a thousand DIY Quest players swivelling in Dungeonbowl's general direction.

It's a shame the new set lacks the thick black borders, which the plastic doors used to attach to without overlapping the actual squares, but that's a minor nuisance. I wonder if the thickness of the new tiles will fit into the old doors?

(I don't know what the original Dungeonbowl used for its tiles, but when 3rd ed BB was re-released in the late 90s, White Dwarf included a Dungeonbowl article that relied on the classic WHQ tiles, plus cardboard counters for the chests and teleporters.)

EDIT: I can only see two of the large Objective Rooms in the preview photo, but the six rooms seem to be there.

I have hoped for Dungeonbowl to make a return since the first revised edition boxset was announced - so I am absolutely stoked. I do hope there are tokens for stautes, columns, and the like - always enjoyed trying to bounce a ball tactically off such obstructions.

And, as you say, I could see those tiles being used to add a little more variety to Hammerfall as well. ^_^

What's the deal with Dungeonbowl, how does it play?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What's the deal with Dungeonbowl, how does it play?

Nothing like Blood Bowl except in the basic mechanics of moving, passing, blocking etc.: the “pitch” is an underground maze full of teleportals and exploding treasure chests, and the first to score wins, with no turn limit.
Play typically breaks down into two phases; the search and the score. These are emergent from the rules and have no official distinction however. Since neither team starts with the ball and possession is the only way to win, both teams generally start by spreading out and securing the treasure chests. Once the ball is found (this too is a strategic choice; do you Russian roulette your own players or wait for the other team to narrow the odds but risk them getting the ball early?), you generally get something that looks more like a normal pitch drive except there are narrow corridors and teleportals complicating both offence and defence.

In other words it is exactly the kind of game a bunch of wizards high on magic and boredom would make, basically.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What's the deal with Dungeonbowl, how does it play?

Nothing like Blood Bowl except in the basic mechanics of moving, passing, blocking etc.: the “pitch” is an underground maze full of teleportals and exploding treasure chests, and the first to score wins, with no turn limit.
Play typically breaks down into two phases; the search and the score. These are emergent from the rules and have no official distinction however. Since neither team starts with the ball and possession is the only way to win, both teams generally start by spreading out and securing the treasure chests. Once the ball is found (this too is a strategic choice; do you Russian roulette your own players or wait for the other team to narrow the odds but risk them getting the ball early?), you generally get something that looks more like a normal pitch drive except there are narrow corridors and teleportals complicating both offence and defence.

In other words it is exactly the kind of game a bunch of wizards high on magic and boredom would make, basically.

IIRC Jervis Johnson said that the rules for original Dungeonbowl (for 2nd ed Blood Bowl) were written in about a week, due to management insisting at late notice that a game should be included with the Elf and Dwarf teams. To the designers' own surprise, it turned out to be very playable and a big hit.*

Looks like Wiz-War with a football to me. And I love me some Wiz-War.

*I think the 2nd ed version had bigger rooms than the White Dwarf version for 3rd ed BB, which used the Warhammer Quest tiles (same as this new edition). I'm not sure how well it plays on the more cramped WHQ tileset.

Oh wait. Duh. Now I see why those dungeon tiles lack the black border of the old WHQ tiles. It's probably so you can push them together to make larger dungeon rooms.

I is smart. S M R T!

That should help solve the problem of too-small, cramped rooms, then.

So the Khorne team and extras are up today. Looks great.

Anyone notice in the preview of Spike! 13 a segment:

Chat With the Rat: everyone's favour-best rat Hackspit Quillchewer takes the time to talk to the owner of the Khornate Cripplers, Overlord Kolgan Bloodrage, about their storied rivalry with the Slaaneshi Sidewinders.

Could this be a sign of Slaanesh getting a themed team too one day?

lost_lilliputian wrote:
So the Khorne team and extras are up today. Looks great.

Anyone notice in the preview of Spike! 13 a segment:

Chat With the Rat: everyone's favour-best rat Hackspit Quillchewer takes the time to talk to the owner of the Khornate Cripplers, Overlord Kolgan Bloodrage, about their storied rivalry with the Slaaneshi Sidewinders.

Could this be a sign of Slaanesh getting a themed team too one day?

I would indeed find that interesting, but hard to find how that would honestly be any different from the normal Chaos Chosen roster. Unlike the berserk Khorne linemen, or the plague zombies of Nurgle... really hard to find what would differentiate a Slaanesh team, other than just having normal humans as linemen.

Really don't feel like there are skills that would separate a Slaanesh human versus a normal human, maybe Fend? Since Slaanesh is about perfection and excess, and Fend could represent a Slaanesh devotee's perfect ability to receive a block maybe.

At that point I would just use Chaos Chosen still, because that may as well be the Imperial Nobility team with a few Strength 4 players.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
So the Khorne team and extras are up today. Looks great.

Anyone notice in the preview of Spike! 13 a segment:

Chat With the Rat: everyone's favour-best rat Hackspit Quillchewer takes the time to talk to the owner of the Khornate Cripplers, Overlord Kolgan Bloodrage, about their storied rivalry with the Slaaneshi Sidewinders.

Could this be a sign of Slaanesh getting a themed team too one day?

They spoilered Snotlings with a reference in a previous Spike, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing the same again.

I’m hoping this means all four gods get dedicated teams and, ideally, sideline staff like sorcerers and maybe an assistant coach that can see the future, or something. Will have to see what the new Spike! Magazine brings to the pitch for Khorne.

How to make a Slaanesh team stand out? Movement and agility skills.

That said, the next team ought to be one of the ToL. How they do the chorfs will be interesting too; I have a feeling that the plastic set might end up not containing any bull centaurs due to space constraints…

If they sold 2 resin bull centaurs, each a unique sculpt for 30-35 USD i'd probably buy it. I do think it'd be hard to fit them on the plastic sprue. If they removed the tokens/coin and some of the nonsense maybe they could....but I can't see that happening.

 Thargrim wrote:
If they sold 2 resin bull centaurs, each a unique sculpt for 30-35 USD i'd probably buy it. I do think it'd be hard to fit them on the plastic sprue. If they removed the tokens/coin and some of the nonsense maybe they could....but I can't see that happening.

And then there’s going to be an alternative, for those who like Greebo‘s style.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/greebo-games/dwarfageddom?ref=b98rvw&token=ec74e6db

I find them a little busy, but don’t play that team anyway.

Blood Bowl Kroxigor is up for preorder now.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/blood-bowl-kroxigor-2021

I'm a bit "meh" on it. The combination of pose, wide open mouth, skull helmet and a bit too much detail on the back kinda makes you lose the shape of the actual underlying Kroxigor. I think one or two of those features might have been okay, but not all at once.

I had been really looking forward to the Kroxigor, as I want one before I start painting my new Lizardmen team. After seeing the original preview I had hoped it'd look better in 3D than it did in a 2D image, but now even seeing the 3D version I've gone a bit cold on it.

Modelling tip for the Khorne team; the Bloodseeker chest plates and helms are swappable so you can get four unique minis even if you still end up with two of each pose. It doesn’t actually tell you this in the instructions though.
The other minis come with alternate heads in the kit which are mentioned in the instructions though.

Dungeon Bowl Colleges anyone?

Having decided to bite the bullet and go in to buy the Blood Bowl core game and the Lizardmen team I'm rather dreamed of, seems like I've conveniently found myself with a College of Heavens team too

Some... interesting faction allocations there.

Dwarfs only in Fire, while Khorne can play for 3 of the winds?

I find it interesting that to be able to use the full team rosters of the 2 teams in the boxset, you are 3 sprues short iirc a Goblin, Khorne and Chaos chosen, adding on an extra cost of £78 to buy the extra team boxes needed

Dwarf not in metal just feels wrong

 GaroRobe wrote:
Dwarf not in metal just feels wrong

They’re all Fyreslayers now.

Yeah, quite strange to not see Dwarfs in Metal. That all said, it looks like some fun teams can be made. Really looking forward to Dungeonbowl personally.

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Dwarf not in metal just feels wrong

They’re all Fyreslayers now.

Only in the Age of Silliness.

In proper settings, Dwarfs are still Dwarfs.

 Dysartes wrote:

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Dwarf not in metal just feels wrong

They’re all Fyreslayers now.

Only in the Age of Silliness.

In proper settings, Dwarfs are still Dwarfs.

Dawi - humans call them Dwarfs - it was fun when Gotrek was reminded about that when he was moaning about Age of Sigmar

 Dysartes wrote:

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Dwarf not in metal just feels wrong

They’re all Fyreslayers now.

Only in the Age of Silliness.

In proper settings, Dwarfs are still Dwarfs.

I do wonder if Blood Bowl counts as a proper setting?

But yeah, I don’t get how they chose the dungeon teams. It doesnt look as if game balance was a major factor. And dwarfs not being metal does not look very fluffy either.

At least Amethyst wizards have double access to zombies and ghouls.

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Dwarf not in metal just feels wrong

They’re all Fyreslayers now.

Only in the Age of Silliness.

In proper settings, Dwarfs are still Dwarfs.

I do wonder if Blood Bowl counts as a proper setting?

But yeah, I don’t get how they chose the dungeon teams. It doesnt look as if game balance was a major factor. And dwarfs not being metal does not look very fluffy either.

At least Amethyst wizards have double access to zombies and ghouls.

In old Dungeon Bowl, Dwarfs were the primary race for Light and Bright teams. There was a lot less variety then:

Light: Dwarfs, Halflings and Werewolves
Gold: Orcs, Snotlings and Ogres
Jade: Goblins, Orcs and Trolls
Celestial: Elves, Elves and Elf Blitzers
Grey: Humans, Snotlings and Ogres
Amethyst: Skaven, Goblins and Minotaurs
Bright: Dwarfs, Humans and Dwarfs
Amber: Dark Elves, Orcs and Skaven
Rainbow (it was a thing!): Elves, Halflings and Humans
Dark: Skeletons, Mummies and Trolls

A lot less logical back then, and with some bizarre mixtures. Considering the box only contained elves and dwarfs, not really a lot of variety to start with.

Old dungeon bowl college teams fill me with unfathomable rage.

Grey wizards are about confusion and illusions and tricks. But let's not use skaven or dark elves. But snotlings and ogres are sure sneaky

Thought the somewhat eclectic combinations might be the result of at least trying to fit in the teams an equal number of times, but that doesn't appear to be the case either (many teams are only in 1, while Khorne and Humans feature thrice).

 Dysartes wrote:

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Dwarf not in metal just feels wrong

They’re all Fyreslayers now.

Only in the Age of Silliness.

In proper settings, Dwarfs are still Dwarfs.

While I actually agree with the sentiment, there is some in universe irony I can't help but notice with that statement and traditional fantasy dwarf culture. There may as well be a Thread of Grudges started up in the WHFB subforum.

I have to say, I'm really impressed that they managed to put out the big guy and booster along with the Khorne team. And the booster actually includes the right models to fill out the team! No more of this human booster nonsense.

Okay, I guess I'm not so much impressed by this release as I am grumpy about previous releases, but I'm trying to put a good spin on it, lol.

Now we could really use boosters for Dark Elves, Elven Union, Lizardmen, Nurgle, Shambling Undead, Wood Elves... I would really prefer not to buy an extra box of each for only, like, 2 players.

Naturally, it doesn't look like Dungeon Bowl is coming with any of those teams.