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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
They can afford to push the boat out a bit and give viewers something different, and not another death star.

Maybe they'll put KOTOR on the silver screen and we can watch the fight to destroy the Star Forge, which is totally not a Death Star analogue

I'm going to hopefully pre-empt people by posting this:

People will rightfully say that despite knowing the story beforehand, I've gone and watched a film at the cinema.

And they'd be right. I've seen numerous film adaptions of books I've read.

But a film and a book are two completely different mediums, two different visions. There is more to a film adaption than story, and some films exist solely for the visual spectacle, or combining sound and vision to achieve their aims.

Blade Runner is a film I could watch for the spectacular visuals alone, so good are they.

Returning to star wars, the series has never been about the books, probably because they never existed!. Sure, there are spin-off novels and tie ins, but the appeal of this space opera has always been its narrative drive, with ESB being a famous example.

Rogue One, and the prequels, robbed Star Wars of its greatest strength, because you know what will happen beforehand. You knew that Anakin would turn to the dark side, you know that the rebels will get the plans.

Ah, but what about the journey, some people will say. Isn't it interesting to see where Anakin or these rebels went right and wrong?

A good point, but a revealed destination still locks the narrative in a rigid strait jacket.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
On the subject of Death Stars, this will be the fourth star wars film out of eight to feature a Death Star

It would be nice to have some originality once in a while.

If you knew more about the film, you would know that this is set during the time of the Death Star and is not set in the new timeline of The Force Awakens.

So I mean, this makes perfect sense for there to be a Death Star......

I'm aware of the storyline, and logically, it does makes perfect sense to have a deathstar, but from a creative sense, it feels like the cow has been milked once too often.

There's a whole galaxy to choose from, and trillions of potential storylines, alien races. could be set anytime else in the past, etc etc

Okay, but how does that further the plot or storyline of the new Trilogy? I mean, that is what they are doing here. Not just putting out a bunch of movies willy nilly that do not have synergy, they are trying to expand a storyline much like they are doing with the Marvel universe.

Also, does anybody else think the main character might be Rey's Mom?

I think the film looks great. I wasn't a huge face of The Force Awakens, since it was pretty much A New Hope all over again, and while the scenes look great, I am kind of irritated with another female lead. I dont know if Star Wars is turning into those MockingJay and Divergent movies. Who knows, I guess thats whats popular these days.

But its going to be refreshing to see those old school rebel troopers and storm troopers again. And I really hope Darth Vader makes an appearance.


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 Dreadwinter wrote:

I'm aware of the storyline, and logically, it does makes perfect sense to have a deathstar, but from a creative sense, it feels like the cow has been milked once too often.

There's a whole galaxy to choose from, and trillions of potential storylines, alien races. could be set anytime else in the past, etc etc

I understand this, but I blame A Force Awakens more than I blame this. The original death star was really something to behold. The Starkiller was just another death star (from hell). I love the nod to the actual Death Star, not its imitator.

I love Episode IV, especially the early events of it, so this kind of goes towards and fills in my favorite part of the Star Wars timeline.

Looks terrific imo. Fairly dark and broody and well shot.
Quite excited about it.

Looks even better than Episode VII to me, can't wait!

I will watch it and then buy the movie through legal means for personal viewing.

Out of curiosity, do I not like that, have you watched the Rebels' series? It also takes place in between films- but by focusing on the stories of minor characters, as rogue one will, it has maintained some excellent tension even though some invincibly plot armored main characters have waltzed through. I'm hopeful similar direction could result in an awesome film without Jedi.

I'm happy to see more AT-AT action- hopefully we get more chicken walkers too!

This looks really good. I mean, as good as a trailer for a film not released for half a year can look. Anyway, it shall be interesting to see a different angle on the universe, and the visuals look great; this should be a worthwhile addition to the 'AWSUM SPECTACLE' shelf in my house.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
On the subject of Death Stars, this will be the fourth star wars film out of eight to feature a Death Star

It would be nice to have some originality once in a while.

If you knew more about the film, you would know that this is set during the time of the Death Star and is not set in the new timeline of The Force Awakens.

So I mean, this makes perfect sense for there to be a Death Star......

I'm aware of the storyline, and logically, it does makes perfect sense to have a deathstar, but from a creative sense, it feels like the cow has been milked once too often.

There's a whole galaxy to choose from, and trillions of potential storylines, alien races. could be set anytime else in the past, etc etc

Even if they decided to present this as 1970s East German arthouse it will still make a ton of money, and still have a ton of people watching it.

They can afford to push the boat out a bit and give viewers something different, and not another death star.

I get what you mean.... and then they make it incredibly obvious it is the deathstar......

Hell they could of had us the entire time being fooled it's some kind of new high tech fighter or something (aka death star looking like the Tie fighter cockpit), only for a big reveal at the end.... But no.... we knew from it's inception it was about stealing the death star plans, they can't keep anything as a surprise anymore.

Tbh I would of been much more interested in something about the creation of the New Order.

At about 1 min 13 sec is that Donnie Yen.

yellowfever wrote:
At about 1 min 13 sec is that Donnie Yen.

You are correct. A Rogue One poster shows him mean mugging with the rest of the group.

A shame Ackbar's actor is dead. Would have been nice to see in this movie since he's pretty high up in Rebel Command.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
A shame Ackbar's actor is dead. Would have been nice to see in this movie since he's pretty high up in Rebel Command.

He'd most likely be CGI'd in, and may very well be.

For 30 years SW fans have said "Wouldn't it be cool if they made a movie about how the Death Star plans were stolen by the Rebellion????"

Now they are making that movie.

"That's gonna SUUUUUUUCK. Can't they think of something more original!!!????"

LMAO.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
If you wait through tip the end of the clip, Mark Hamill shows up in an interview. And he looks stoned/pissed/had a stroke. Can't tell which.

Movie looks fun though. Looks like it'll be a MUCH different style to what we've seen in Star Wars so far, but they can do that; it exists outside of the core films.

It was about the "Force for Change" charity thing, but that was just him being silly. He stays like that, not moving for a while.


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 djones520 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
A shame Ackbar's actor is dead. Would have been nice to see in this movie since he's pretty high up in Rebel Command.

He'd most likely be CGI'd in, and may very well be.

Well, I think he was just doing the voice at this point, and someone else was in the suit (he was 93).

While I certainly am looking forward to this...

Kyle Katarn stole the Death Star plans! Damn it Disney!

James Earl Jones is still around...

Think we'll see Darth Vader in all his glory again?

Mdlbuildr wrote:
For 30 years SW fans have said "Wouldn't it be cool if they made a movie about how the Death Star plans were stolen by the Rebellion????"

Now they are making that movie.

"That's gonna SUUUUUUUCK. Can't they think of something more original!!!????"

LMAO.

I'm not a star wars fan

KTG17 wrote:
I think the film looks great. I wasn't a huge face of The Force Awakens, since it was pretty much A New Hope all over again, and while the scenes look great, I am kind of irritated with another female lead. I dont know if Star Wars is turning into those MockingJay and Divergent movies. Who knows, I guess thats whats popular these days.

But its going to be refreshing to see those old school rebel troopers and storm troopers again. And I really hope Darth Vader makes an appearance.


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 Dreadwinter wrote:

I'm aware of the storyline, and logically, it does makes perfect sense to have a deathstar, but from a creative sense, it feels like the cow has been milked once too often.

There's a whole galaxy to choose from, and trillions of potential storylines, alien races. could be set anytime else in the past, etc etc

I understand this, but I blame A Force Awakens more than I blame this. The original death star was really something to behold. The Starkiller was just another death star (from hell). I love the nod to the actual Death Star, not its imitator.

I love Episode IV, especially the early events of it, so this kind of goes towards and fills in my favorite part of the Star Wars timeline.

I would just like to point out, that is not my quote.

 Baldeagle91 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
On the subject of Death Stars, this will be the fourth star wars film out of eight to feature a Death Star

It would be nice to have some originality once in a while.

If you knew more about the film, you would know that this is set during the time of the Death Star and is not set in the new timeline of The Force Awakens.

So I mean, this makes perfect sense for there to be a Death Star......

I'm aware of the storyline, and logically, it does makes perfect sense to have a deathstar, but from a creative sense, it feels like the cow has been milked once too often.

There's a whole galaxy to choose from, and trillions of potential storylines, alien races. could be set anytime else in the past, etc etc

Even if they decided to present this as 1970s East German arthouse it will still make a ton of money, and still have a ton of people watching it.

They can afford to push the boat out a bit and give viewers something different, and not another death star.

I get what you mean.... and then they make it incredibly obvious it is the deathstar......

Hell they could of had us the entire time being fooled it's some kind of new high tech fighter or something (aka death star looking like the Tie fighter cockpit), only for a big reveal at the end.... But no.... we knew from it's inception it was about stealing the death star plans, they can't keep anything as a surprise anymore.

Tbh I would of been much more interested in something about the creation of the New Order.

Given that star wars will make hundreds of millions of dollars in profit, Disney can approach the best directors and scriptwriters around and say name your price. Even if these individuals are not star wars fans, money talks, and even the best people on autopilot are probably better than most other people out there.

What's 10 million dollars spent when you're making 1 billion dollars?


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 Gitzbitah wrote:
Out of curiosity, do I not like that, have you watched the Rebels' series? It also takes place in between films- but by focusing on the stories of minor characters, as rogue one will, it has maintained some excellent tension even though some invincibly plot armored main characters have waltzed through. I'm hopeful similar direction could result in an awesome film without Jedi.

I'm not aware of that series.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:
For 30 years SW fans have said "Wouldn't it be cool if they made a movie about how the Death Star plans were stolen by the Rebellion????"

Now they are making that movie.

"That's gonna SUUUUUUUCK. Can't they think of something more original!!!????"

LMAO.

I'm not a star wars fan

Did you stop to think that maybe this movie isn't marketed towards you?

I'm looking forward to it. I'm not *massively* hyped about it though.

I would have probably gone absolutely nutty for it though if Kyle Katarn had been involved as one of the team.

I'm not saying this as a Comic Book Guy "they changed it now it sucks" kinda thing. I'm perfectly good with there being a new main character for the mission who is the hero of it all and that being different from the story I grew up with. However, I would have absolutely loved if they have Kyle Katarn as part of the 'crew' that was involved in it all, as he's basically one of my favourite characters.

Well, there's still a chance, of course.

KTG17 wrote:
I think the film looks great. I wasn't a huge face of The Force Awakens, since it was pretty much A New Hope all over again, and while the scenes look great, I am kind of irritated with another female lead. I dont know if Star Wars is turning into those MockingJay and Divergent movies. Who knows, I guess thats whats popular these days.

But its going to be refreshing to see those old school rebel troopers and storm troopers again. And I really hope Darth Vader makes an appearance.

Why the hell does it even remotely matter if it is a female lead? Is there something inherently worse about female leads that we should only have to put up with them once in a while? I mean, we had a male lead in the prequels, and he was complete and utter gak. I want a good lead, not a male one, and this one looks pretty good to me. Even assumin Daisy Ridley stays as the lead in all three of the sequel trilogy films, which seems likely, then once we get the Han Solo and Boba Fett movies, the male led films will still outnumber the female led films by eight to four!

As for The Hunger Games, which was okay, and Divergent, which I haven't watched, we could still go out there and add up male leads in, let's say, Harry Potter, James Bond, Jason Bourne, Mad Max (except the last one, it is entirely male leads), Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, The Marvel Cinemaverse, the DC Cinemaverse, Indiana Jones, Rocky...

One or two films, such as Pirates of the Caribbean and Juraissic Park have had borderline co-lead females, but come on, it isn't like the world is overwhelmingly dominated by male leads already.

Come on, irritated by a female lead? There are enough bad things to worry about in films and life already, without being offended by females getting the lead in 1/3 of the Star Wars films.


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Oh, I forgot about the Alien franchise, with Sigourney Weaver as the lead. Would that have been as good a film with a male lead? No, clearly not.

 Dreadwinter wrote:


Did you stop to think that maybe this movie isn't marketed towards you?

I *think* he's just kidding around. Hence the smiley ogre.

It is not the female lead which is a problem, of course, it is that these days, they put gay/black/homosexual/insert-a-minority-allegedly-oppressed-by-the-bad-white-mens in absolutely everything.

Look at Mass Effect 1: aliens,women, black, etc...
It 's totally ok and normal to meet a lot of different people during the Shepard's journey in the galaxy.
But in the Normandy, not all the monorities are represented.

Now look at ME3: every possible monority is represented, mexicans, black, woman who love woman, man who love man, straight...

It is not even credible...

If you want another example, it is like the power creep in 40k: during a whole version, a codex is overpowered, but then in the next, it is totaly overshadowed by another codex etc...

It is not because Hollywood didn't represented women enough in the past that it should forget men in the present.

Equality is fine, but propaganda is bad (and now everyone know Disney is actively advocating for the lgbt lobby).
It is sad to see a saga you love being used so badly.

 godardc wrote:
It is not the female lead which is a problem, of course, it is that these days, they put gay/black/homosexual/insert-a-minority-allegedly-oppressed-by-the-bad-white-mens in absolutely everything.

Look at Mass Effect 1: aliens,women, black, etc...
It 's totally ok and normal to meet a lot of different people during the Shepard's journey in the galaxy.
But in the Normandy, not all the monorities are represented.

Now look at ME3: every possible monority is represented, mexicans, black, woman who love woman, man who love man, straight...

It is not even credible...

If you want another example, it is like the power creep in 40k: during a whole version, a codex is overpowered, but then in the next, it is totaly overshadowed by another codex etc...

It is not because Hollywood didn't represented women enough in the past that it should forget men in the present.

Equality is fine, but propaganda is bad (and now everyone know Disney is actively advocating for the lgbt lobby).
It is sad to see a saga you love being used so badly.

Used so badly? What? So, Disney attempting to make a story how they want in a fictional universe they own is somehow propaganda?

Also, how is it not credible in the Mass Effect series? I just honestly do not understand the point you are attempting to make here.

After being burned by the last starwars movie I might just wait for this to become free or something.

 godardc wrote:
It is not the female lead which is a problem, of course, it is that these days, they put gay/black/homosexual/insert-a-minority-allegedly-oppressed-by-the-bad-white-mens in absolutely everything.

Look at Mass Effect 1: aliens,women, black, etc...
It 's totally ok and normal to meet a lot of different people during the Shepard's journey in the galaxy.
But in the Normandy, not all the monorities are represented.

Now look at ME3: every possible monority is represented, mexicans, black, woman who love woman, man who love man, straight...

It is not even credible...

If you want another example, it is like the power creep in 40k: during a whole version, a codex is overpowered, but then in the next, it is totaly overshadowed by another codex etc...

It is not because Hollywood didn't represented women enough in the past that it should forget men in the present.

Equality is fine, but propaganda is bad (and now everyone know Disney is actively advocating for the lgbt lobby).
It is sad to see a saga you love being used so badly.

LMAO, wtf are you even talking about???

You don't want to see the movie, don't. LOL.