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Hi Guys,

With the new psychic powers for Space Marines now disclosed, it seems like some of them could really allow for some completely new sorts of play styles and tactics. The one that stuck out the most to me is the Geokinesis power, particularly power 6.

(Copy and pasted from BoLS)
"Geokinesis
Primaris: WC2 Forces a dangerous terrain test without armor save, single unit. Basically it is a wound on a roll of 1? Invuls are allowed

1 – WC1 blessing, 18″ gives back D3 wounds + ITWND for the remaining of the turn

2 – WC1 malediction, 24″. Choose a point, it deals a single S5AP4 hit to each unit within 6″. This 6″ area is dangerous terrain. Crap.

3 – WC1 malediction, ALL ENEMIES WITHIN 18″. They are considered to be in dangerous terrain, and cannot run, boost or flat out. Nice.

4 – WC1 blessing, 24″. Single unit. Give MTC and Ignore cover to all weapons. Unit is also able to shoot on a unit WITHOUT LINE OF SIGHT, only the range matters. Wow, great!

5 – WC1 WC, 24″. Target building or ruin. Building gets a glancing or penetrating hit, ruins: units in it get D6 S6AP- hits;

6 – WC3 24″. Move a piece of terrain by 24″, including models in it. (force a dangerous terrain test)."

Just some combos I've been considering just brainstorming this morning:
1. Stick a bunch of your assault units in a ruin, then use power 6 to transport the ruin 24 inches right next to the enemy, effectively using the ruin as a transport vehicle allowing you to assault first turn. This could potentially be combined with power 3, if you stick the librarian in the ruin as well, allowing you to cause an 18 inch dangerous terrain bubble near the center of the enemies formation first turn. You have to eat the dangerous terrain test, but I think I might be willing to with the right units for a free 24 inch move.

2. Manipulating LOS blocking terrain. Have a bunch of warp spiders hiding near a building? Move the building then shoot them! Alternatively, stick a building right in front of a unit of heavy weapons using troops and prevent them from firing this turn.

3. Grabbing objectives. Stick an objective in a terrain feature. Grab the terrain feature along with the objective from the middle of the battlefield and set it next to the troops you want to move onto it.

4. Stealing away key cover or moving troops in cover next to assault troops. E.g. stealing away an enemies Aegis defense line and then firing on them. (Not sure if the rules for this one would work given they are fortifications).





What are your thoughts?

You know how the "Bunker Slingshot" strat? Just got a whooooooole new meaning

My community FB page has been talking about this. Some are okay with it and some don't like it at all. The only thing I can say is I'd like to see what the wording is exactly for these powers. It looks like they are just a summed up version of them. Which can leave out key terms.

Thought about using the power to move all the terrain on the table off, to make it an open killing field

 Swampmist wrote:
You know how the "Bunker Slingshot" strat? Just got a whooooooole new meaning

I’m having visions of combining the terrain moving power with escape hatches to criss-cross the table with mole-like tunnels.

“I knew we should have taken a left back at Sheboygan"

The Bugs Bunny strat

I, personally, cannot wait to have a Shadowsword on a flying saucer formerly known as a sky shield. Seriously considering the Aquila macro cannon as well...

The synergy with voidshield generators and promethium relay pipes will be *filthy*

I'll need to make a dedicated Geomancer librarian model with floaty effects

That said, Geomancy should be BRB, everyone should have a reason not to use telepathy. Hell even tyranids should have it.

Promethoum pipes rolling wall of fire could be fun.

Those battle cannon bunkers that shoot at the closest target would be another good thing to toss around.

Imho they should have waited and given like a psychic powers mini expansion for everybody. As it is, Marines just got a massive bump in power between these psychic powers and the new formations.

As funny as moving a piece of terrain would be (say a 1' by 1' ruins) it seems REALLY impractical for a lot of boards who have fixed terrain, terrain on bases, or that fit in slots. Also would this movement prevent you from charging after the move. Stack your entire army of assault ready units on a ruins, move the terrain 24" towards the enemy, and charge in. Heck it would probably be worth it to take a psyker and throw all the dice at it (perils be damned) to get a turn 1 charge.

just wait for the next game of space hulk. 'lets move that corridor with the genestealers outside the hull. . .'

As far as power 6... It says terrain... Not building/fortification etc so idk about the whole moving a bastion or vsg etc

Trueknight803 wrote:
As far as power 6... It says terrain... Not building/fortification etc so idk about the whole moving a bastion or vsg etc

If you didnt already notice all fortifications have Terrain type in their listing and the rulebook explicitly labels them as terrain so yeah they can move..

*Spams the 'Move Terrain' Power to create a Miniature Fortress in a corner that blocks LoS*


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Jpr wrote:

Trueknight803 wrote:
As far as power 6... It says terrain... Not building/fortification etc so idk about the whole moving a bastion or vsg etc

If you didnt already notice all fortifications have Terrain type in their listing and the rulebook explicitly labels them as terrain so yeah they can move..

Oh man my friend (who plays Death Korps) is gonna be p****d when i move his fortification (the one with the Macro Cannon), leaving a giant gap for me to Deep Strike a bunch of LoTD (2 squads with max flamers, 1 with max melta)

I wonder if you CAN MOVE AN ENTIRE TRENCH LINE? (Surely it counts a 1 piece of terrain)

commander dante wrote:
*Spams the 'Move Terrain' Power to create a Miniature Fortress in a corner that blocks LoS*

*Dorn sheds single, yellow-bellied tear*

 Swampmist wrote:

commander dante wrote:
*Spams the 'Move Terrain' Power to create a Miniature Fortress in a corner that blocks LoS*

*Dorn sheds single, yellow-bellied tear*

Lol, Reminds me of Text-To-Speech when Magnus turns into a daemon prince
"Rogal What are you doing!?!?"
"Fortifying this position"
"GOD DAMMIT ROGAL!"
(also Magic Pain Glove)

Hey guys ! Long time lurker and player here !

I think that the cheesiest strategy I would use would be to take a Raven Guard 1st Company Task Force of Thunderhammer Vanguard Veterans, all plopped in Ruins, with a Librarius Conclave all rolling on Geomancy.

2+ cover save in the first turn, move the building 24", reroll charge distance with a 3++ invulnerable and no penalties for disordered charges.

Considering 5 TH/SS Vanguard Veterans cost about 250 points, you can field 30 at 1850 points and have enough points left to throw the Conclave with enough rolls on the table to get that conclave. With the no penalty for disordered charges, and an effective 45" charge distance (12" move + 24" terrain move + 9" average rerolled charge distance), you can probably wipe the enemy army in a single turn (15 S8 AP2 attacks per squad, 6 of them for 90 attacks on as many units as you like).

If you play hammer and anvil, the enemy might have 12" extra room to hide in his backfield, but heck, you can afford tanking all the shots on a 2+ cover save/ 3++ until T2 where you're sure to charge.

What if you have a void shield generator? Would it be a decennt strategy to move that thing around to cover your tanks?

commander dante wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:

commander dante wrote:
*Spams the 'Move Terrain' Power to create a Miniature Fortress in a corner that blocks LoS*

*Dorn sheds single, yellow-bellied tear*

Lol, Reminds me of Text-To-Speech when Magnus turns into a daemon prince
"Rogal What are you doing!?!?"
"Fortifying this position"
"GOD DAMMIT ROGAL!"
(also Magic Pain Glove)

Exactly

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
What if you have a void shield generator? Would it be a decennt strategy to move that thing around to cover your tanks?

I just spat out my drink

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
What if you have a void shield generator? Would it be a decennt strategy to move that thing around to cover your tanks?

I don’t think the VSG cares who owns it, just that something inside the radius is being targeted by something outside.

“Nice shields, mind of I borrow them?”

/troll

Or what if I start moving a Fortress of Redemption or an Aquilla strong point? You could make a Land Raider cry compared to your mobile AV15, massive SD blast throwing, Eagle fortress.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Or what if I start moving a Fortress of Redemption or an Aquilla strong point? You could make a Land Raider cry compared to your mobile AV15, massive SD blast throwing, Eagle fortress.

Pop the +1 Armour power on it as well....

commander dante wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Or what if I start moving a Fortress of Redemption or an Aquilla strong point? You could make a Land Raider cry compared to your mobile AV15, massive SD blast throwing, Eagle fortress.

Pop the +1 Armour power on it as well....

Now I show you the true power of the Imperium... You's literally have to throw D weapons or Haywire to bring that thing down.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

commander dante wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Or what if I start moving a Fortress of Redemption or an Aquilla strong point? You could make a Land Raider cry compared to your mobile AV15, massive SD blast throwing, Eagle fortress.

Pop the +1 Armour power on it as well....

Now I show you the true power of the Imperium... You's literally have to throw D weapons or Haywire to bring that thing down.

All we need now is a Commissar on the top shouting "DRIVE ME CLOSER! I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!"
And stick a 10 man squad of BA hammernators with A Sanguinary Priest on it as well to charge anything that gets near

Did the design team come up with some of these powers while they were drunk? I'm mostly looking at you #4 and #6.

commander dante wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

commander dante wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Or what if I start moving a Fortress of Redemption or an Aquilla strong point? You could make a Land Raider cry compared to your mobile AV15, massive SD blast throwing, Eagle fortress.

Pop the +1 Armour power on it as well....

Now I show you the true power of the Imperium... You's literally have to throw D weapons or Haywire to bring that thing down.

All we need now is a Commissar on the top shouting "DRIVE ME CLOSER! I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!"
And stick a 10 man squad of BA hammernators with A Sanguinary Priest on it as well to charge anything that gets near

No, you move the Strongpoint with Librarian on top of the battlements

Behind him is a 10 man Hammernator squad with attached Librarian Conclave. Use electrodisplacement on the lone librarian to swap him for the Hammernators. Then use Magnetokinesis to move the Hammernator squad closer to their target. Pop veil of time and Hammer hand on the squad and erase everything.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

commander dante wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

commander dante wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Or what if I start moving a Fortress of Redemption or an Aquilla strong point? You could make a Land Raider cry compared to your mobile AV15, massive SD blast throwing, Eagle fortress.

Pop the +1 Armour power on it as well....

Now I show you the true power of the Imperium... You's literally have to throw D weapons or Haywire to bring that thing down.

All we need now is a Commissar on the top shouting "DRIVE ME CLOSER! I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!"
And stick a 10 man squad of BA hammernators with A Sanguinary Priest on it as well to charge anything that gets near

No, you move the Strongpoint with Librarian on top of the battlements

Behind him is a 10 man Hammernator squad with attached Librarian Conclave. Use electrodisplacement on the lone librarian to swap him for the Hammernators. Then use Magnetokinesis to move the Hammernator squad closer to their target. Pop veil of time and Hammer hand on the squad and erase everything.

Nah i still think the Mobile fortress is better (and more simple to use)
Also Have Cypher man the Cannon (BS10 FTW)

commander dante wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

commander dante wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

commander dante wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Or what if I start moving a Fortress of Redemption or an Aquilla strong point? You could make a Land Raider cry compared to your mobile AV15, massive SD blast throwing, Eagle fortress.

Pop the +1 Armour power on it as well....

Now I show you the true power of the Imperium... You's literally have to throw D weapons or Haywire to bring that thing down.

All we need now is a Commissar on the top shouting "DRIVE ME CLOSER! I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!"
And stick a 10 man squad of BA hammernators with A Sanguinary Priest on it as well to charge anything that gets near

No, you move the Strongpoint with Librarian on top of the battlements

Behind him is a 10 man Hammernator squad with attached Librarian Conclave. Use electrodisplacement on the lone librarian to swap him for the Hammernators. Then use Magnetokinesis to move the Hammernator squad closer to their target. Pop veil of time and Hammer hand on the squad and erase everything.

Nah i still think the Mobile fortress is better (and more simple to use)
Also Have Cypher man the Cannon (BS10 FTW)

I think you missed the potency of of terminators with a 48" movement...

I think my enthusiasm to ever, ever, ever play 40k again just died.

Eeeek, some of those powers and possible combos are very scary :(