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Fluffwise is a GK dreadknight supposed to be able to hold its own toe to toe with a bloodthirster like the ones in the Khorne daemonkin book. Is the dreadknight able to go toe to toe against an eldar wraithknight? How powerful is this mech supposed to be? Is the dreadknight the only real "mech" that an astartes can use?

I never liked the Dreadknight, it's just hideous and poorly-designed, but it does seem intended to be a purely anti-Monster thing, which makes sense given the Grey Knights' mandate.

I wouldn't consider it something on par with a super-heavy, though. The Wraithknight would just cleave it in twain with one blow. The Wraithknight is not only bigger, but more graceful, swifter and considerably tougher, and was meant to take on small Titans.

Personally, I think the Dreadknight's role could have been filled by a proprietary Dreadnought.

Fluffwise GK hate dreadnoughts, so having the Dreadknight developed was a priority. As for it beating a Wraithknight... maybe? In fluff a DK was overwhelmed by literally hundreds of bloodletters with a Bloodthirsty doing the coup DE grace.

In games, mine has fought and killed an imperial knight combat, it took three rounds of combat and a few lucky roles, but it did the job, and died honourably in the ensuing explosion.

I don't see why it should be so easily dismissed against a wk, it is manoeuvrable, has high strength ranged and cc weapons, and with sanctuary can get a 4++. I'm not saying it's the favourite by any means, but it isn't a ridiculous notion that it could fight one.

Before the most recent Eldar buff Dreadknights could easily crunch a wraithknight in the game; Force weapons at S10 are a great way to get rid of any MC. Now that it's a gargantuan it come down to whether or not the wraithknight can roll a 6 for the stomp, or if the DK can get lucky and kill him before that happens. Against the sword-and-shield wraithknight a dreadknight has no chance. So, I'd say dreadknights are good but against a wraithknight they'd probably need a couple to take it down.

Almost assuredly not as good as they are on the tabletop. The dude in it is asking to be sniped. It's basically the power loader from Aliens. And it looks stupid.

Martel732 wrote:
Almost assuredly not as good as they are on the tabletop. The dude in it is asking to be sniped. It's basically the power loader from Aliens. And it looks stupid.

Centurions at least have everything but their head shielded (not a fan of them either). I'm shocked Grey Knights don't posses this technology.

If someone made a more heavily armored conversion of a dreadknight I don't think I would mind as much.

Martel732 wrote:
Almost assuredly not as good as they are on the tabletop. The dude in it is asking to be sniped. It's basically the power loader from Aliens. And it looks stupid.

The issue with this is the pilot is in Terminator armor. And unlike the tabletop you don't just 'snipe' a guy in TDA. Hell, he's probably the most well-armored part!

If an anti tank weapon hits you you'll die anyway. Especially if it's repeated hits. Martel is right that design is beyond dumb.

pm713 wrote:
If an anti tank weapon hits you you'll die anyway. Especially if it's repeated hits. Martel is right that design is beyond dumb.

I'm sure if you hit the robot bits of a Dreadknight with multiple anti-tank weapons it'd stop working, too. Hardly seems like a flaw to me.

Guys in terminator armor die to shotguns. I think an anti-material rifle to head does the trick.

 raverrn wrote:

pm713 wrote:
If an anti tank weapon hits you you'll die anyway. Especially if it's repeated hits. Martel is right that design is beyond dumb.

I'm sure if you hit the robot bits of a Dreadknight with multiple anti-tank weapons it'd stop working, too. Hardly seems like a flaw to me.

I'm being generous. You can spend multiple shots trying to break the Dreadknight or spend two at most to kill the pilot. That sounds like a flaw.

pm713 wrote:

I'm being generous. You can spend multiple shots trying to break the Dreadknight or spend two at most to kill the pilot. That sounds like a flaw.

No, you're not. Anything that kills a guy in TDA in one shot is going to kill the 'bot in one shot, too.

 raverrn wrote:

pm713 wrote:

I'm being generous. You can spend multiple shots trying to break the Dreadknight or spend two at most to kill the pilot. That sounds like a flaw.

No, you're not. Anything that kills a guy in TDA in one shot is going to kill the 'bot in one shot, too.

No. TDA is good but not so good it's equal to a giant mech.

 Quickjager wrote:
Fluffwise GK hate dreadnoughts

Just wondering why they hate them?

They don't. GK have strong dreadnoughts.

They needed something big enough to take on greater daemons 1v1, and the boxy little dread would just be pushed over - it is also a bit too slow and un-agile. That is what the DK is for.

People can like or not like the dreadknights look, thats great that different people like different things. As for the dreadknights practicallity, I've never cared for it being practical especially in this fictional setting. In fact that is what drew me to the grey knights in that they do not have to be practical. In the little fluff that i know of them they are the elite of the imperium's super soldiers so they are going to be over the top.

So to get back on topic, how powerful are the dreadknights supposed to be in the fluff? Has anyone come across anything where a Dk fought a wk and won? Has the Dk fought and won against a khorne daemonkin bloodthirster? Could DK go toe to toe against chaos Daemon engines?

Here is a quote directly from the gw site. "Nemesis Dreadknight was created to take on the might of Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes and destroy them utterly." So i was wondering if anyone else came across more pieces of info of the DK deeds or their prowess?

Thanks for the replies and keep em coming.

Being good enough to not have to worry being practical is fine if it looks cool, like, say, wearing a cape for example.

Riding into battle on a baby-carrier with limbs just makes you look a bit daft.

Martel732 wrote:
Almost assuredly not as good as they are on the tabletop. The dude in it is asking to be sniped. It's basically the power loader from Aliens. And it looks stupid.

In the Fluff the GK on the DK is protected by a force field bubble that makes it hard to kill him. This is represented on the table top by the 5+ invulnerably save they get. People forget about that being part of it because terminators get the same protection from the Crux Terminatus. The DK is too big to have one crux covering it so they developed a force shield.

As an aside the real strength of the DK, in addition to having STR 10 attacks is the teleportation. On the board it allows you to put the DK where it is needed, and in the fluff it gives it greater mobility. IF you take out approximations made by rules out (str D and other such nonsense), the fluff puts them on par with a greater daemon in terms of combat prowess, but the thing is, that is all the DKs can do, and the weakest of the Greater Daemons is competent at that (looking at the bloodthirster in fluff) the other GD can all use psyker powers in addition to their combat prowess. The DK pilot's psyker abilities keep it relatively safe form the GD's abilities, but its still a relatively mortal mind against a greater daemon. so for anything less than a fully manifested LOC or GUO or KOS or higher level BT, the DK will be more than a match fluff wise, on the table top, this the DK will die almost every time. Its powerful, but the new rules just out class it.

It is the Dark angels of large walker things(and by that I mean the oval bases I'm not counting the eldar walkers, dreadnoughts or sentinels on Dread bases). It was the first, and therefore hasn't benefited from the advancement in the rules.

I see deamons moving as if partly inside our physical realm Dan Abnett portrayed a blood thirster in one of the later gaunts ghost books (think the Krypton vs human fight in man of steel) in my mind it would be near impossible to go toe to toe with one unless you had the reactions of a primarch.

However that said that's why I love 40k everyone sees the universe differently

 raverrn wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Almost assuredly not as good as they are on the tabletop. The dude in it is asking to be sniped. It's basically the power loader from Aliens. And it looks stupid.

The issue with this is the pilot is in Terminator armor. And unlike the tabletop you don't just 'snipe' a guy in TDA. Hell, he's probably the most well-armored part!

You do if he's not wearing a god damned hat. There is no "fluff" reason why a helmet less guy in terminator armor would be immune to sniper rifles.

the_scotsman wrote:

 raverrn wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Almost assuredly not as good as they are on the tabletop. The dude in it is asking to be sniped. It's basically the power loader from Aliens. And it looks stupid.

The issue with this is the pilot is in Terminator armor. And unlike the tabletop you don't just 'snipe' a guy in TDA. Hell, he's probably the most well-armored part!

You do if he's not wearing a god damned hat. There is no "fluff" reason why a helmet less guy in terminator armor would be immune to sniper rifles.

There is a forcefield.

Daston wrote:
I see deamons moving as if partly inside our physical realm Dan Abnett portrayed a blood thirster in one of the later gaunts ghost books (think the Krypton vs human fight in man of steel) in my mind it would be near impossible to go toe to toe with one unless you had the reactions of a primarch.

However that said that's why I love 40k everyone sees the universe differently

GK have some built in advantages/protections vs all of deamon kind. GK are about the only built for it though.

Ask angron and his army how it worked out for them on Armageddon

Matt ward power levels

As powerful as matt ward says

They're powerful enough to raise an Ork-tier codex to Tyranid-tier.