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2016/04/18 18:47:25
Subject: Point cost differences between the legion astartes book and all the older books
So, I was trying to make a list in roster editor and I noticed the violator is costed at 35 pts, vs 45 in book 1. Is this a roster editor screw up? Or was his point cost adjusted in the legion astartes book? I only have book 1-6, not any of the special army books or red book or whatever. Where any point costs changed or anything else?
2016/04/18 18:57:18
Subject: Point cost differences between the legion astartes book and all the older books
Walnuts wrote: Ohhh boy, guess I better track one of those books down then
here is a summary:
Spoiler:
LEGION UPDATES FROM THE NEW LEGION RED BOOK
IF A UNIT IS NOT MENTIONED, THEN IT IS UNCHANGED
Emperor’s Children
All models with the LA rule gain +1 initiative on the charge
sonic shriekers are now -1WS to enemy models in base contact which aren’t immune to fear. Effects the full length of the combat (not just first round), not just if you charge.
phoenix terminators are WS5
the cacophony weapons are heavy2, previously heavy1
Iron Warriors
iron circle added, elites choice, single unit can be taken as a command squad to perturabo. said unit gains a minor buff of their choice from a list.
tyrant seige terminator squads now heavy support choices
Imperial Fists
phalanx warder squads ‘shield wall’ rule fixed, now confers +1WS instead of +1I.
dorn’s chainsaw has ‘unwieldy’ replaced with ‘reaping blow’ (see DG section)
Night Lords
‘from the shadows’ confers 5+ cover save, use to be 6+
‘talent for murder’ confers +1 to hit and wound, use to be just to wound
terror squads gain ‘precision strike’
sevatar has his additional psyker rules from the FAQ added to his profile, also gains precision strike
Iron Hands
no changes
World eaters
‘blood lust’ is now on a 4+ rather than a roll of a 1.
previous version of ‘incarnate violence’ replaced with may re-roll 1’s to wound on the turn they charge
Ultramarine-Contemptor-Dreadnought-front
Ultramarines
no changes
Death Guard
may re-roll dangerous terrain tests, regardless of what the terrain is
instead of forcing successful rolls to wound with poison and fleshbane, DG get FNP(4+) instead
power scythes lose unwieldy and the ability to replace attack value with number of enemy models in base contact with the following
‘reaping blow’: -1 initiative, if in base contact with more than one model at their initiative step, they gain +1 attack
grave warden toxin rule replaced with ‘poison(3+)’ on death cloud and grenade launcher
deathshroud can be taken as a HQ or elites choice, plus as a command squad for a terminator praetor or mortarion.
mortarion’s scythe is no longer unwieldy, replaced with ‘reaping blow’.
mortarion’s witch spite only affects malediction powers affecting him or his squad
Sons of Horus
gain ‘death dealer’ to their legiones astartes rule, +1BS if shooting at an enemy within 12″ with a pistol, rapid fire or assault weapon, doesn’t effect snap fire, overwatch or fury of the legion shots.
justearins terminators start off at 255pts for 5 men, may still take upto 7 additional men. they now have 2 wounds
abaddon has precision strike
Word bearers
rules unchanged from tempest
Salamanders
no changes
Raven Guard
Mor deythan are 10pts more expensive at base cost (additional men are still same price)
all dark furies have raven talons by default, no price increase
dark fury sergeant gains ‘precision strike’
Kaedes nex gains precision shots
Alpha Legion (or are they?)
saboteur’s sabotage attack now AP3 against things with a toughness value, and AP2 against vehicles
headhunters come with combi-bolters as standard, may upgrade them to combi-weapons for the same cost as terminators can.
headhunters replace ‘preferred enemy’ with ‘precision shots’
Walnuts wrote: Ohhh boy, guess I better track one of those books down then
here is a summary:
Spoiler:
LEGION UPDATES FROM THE NEW LEGION RED BOOK
IF A UNIT IS NOT MENTIONED, THEN IT IS UNCHANGED
Emperor’s Children
All models with the LA rule gain +1 initiative on the charge
sonic shriekers are now -1WS to enemy models in base contact which aren’t immune to fear. Effects the full length of the combat (not just first round), not just if you charge.
phoenix terminators are WS5
the cacophony weapons are heavy2, previously heavy1
Iron Warriors
iron circle added, elites choice, single unit can be taken as a command squad to perturabo. said unit gains a minor buff of their choice from a list.
tyrant seige terminator squads now heavy support choices
Imperial Fists
phalanx warder squads ‘shield wall’ rule fixed, now confers +1WS instead of +1I.
dorn’s chainsaw has ‘unwieldy’ replaced with ‘reaping blow’ (see DG section)
Night Lords
‘from the shadows’ confers 5+ cover save, use to be 6+
‘talent for murder’ confers +1 to hit and wound, use to be just to wound
terror squads gain ‘precision strike’
sevatar has his additional psyker rules from the FAQ added to his profile, also gains precision strike
Iron Hands
no changes
World eaters
‘blood lust’ is now on a 4+ rather than a roll of a 1.
previous version of ‘incarnate violence’ replaced with may re-roll 1’s to wound on the turn they charge
Ultramarine-Contemptor-Dreadnought-front
Ultramarines
no changes
Death Guard
may re-roll dangerous terrain tests, regardless of what the terrain is
instead of forcing successful rolls to wound with poison and fleshbane, DG get FNP(4+) instead
power scythes lose unwieldy and the ability to replace attack value with number of enemy models in base contact with the following
‘reaping blow’: -1 initiative, if in base contact with more than one model at their initiative step, they gain +1 attack
grave warden toxin rule replaced with ‘poison(3+)’ on death cloud and grenade launcher
deathshroud can be taken as a HQ or elites choice, plus as a command squad for a terminator praetor or mortarion.
mortarion’s scythe is no longer unwieldy, replaced with ‘reaping blow’.
mortarion’s witch spite only affects malediction powers affecting him or his squad
Sons of Horus
gain ‘death dealer’ to their legiones astartes rule, +1BS if shooting at an enemy within 12″ with a pistol, rapid fire or assault weapon, doesn’t effect snap fire, overwatch or fury of the legion shots.
justearins terminators start off at 255pts for 5 men, may still take upto 7 additional men. they now have 2 wounds
abaddon has precision strike
Word bearers
rules unchanged from tempest
Salamanders
no changes
Raven Guard
Mor deythan are 10pts more expensive at base cost (additional men are still same price)
all dark furies have raven talons by default, no price increase
dark fury sergeant gains ‘precision strike’
Kaedes nex gains precision shots
Alpha Legion (or are they?)
saboteur’s sabotage attack now AP3 against things with a toughness value, and AP2 against vehicles
headhunters come with combi-bolters as standard, may upgrade them to combi-weapons for the same cost as terminators can.
headhunters replace ‘preferred enemy’ with ‘precision shots’
those are the legion red book changes, but methinks he was asking about changes in the crusade army list red book from books 1-4.
I'll never be able to repay CA for making GW realize that The Old World was a cash cow, left to die in a field.
2016/04/19 00:37:56
Subject: Point cost differences between the legion astartes book and all the older books
Walnuts wrote: Ohhh boy, guess I better track one of those books down then
here is a summary:
Spoiler:
LEGION UPDATES FROM THE NEW LEGION RED BOOK
IF A UNIT IS NOT MENTIONED, THEN IT IS UNCHANGED
Emperor’s Children
All models with the LA rule gain +1 initiative on the charge
sonic shriekers are now -1WS to enemy models in base contact which aren’t immune to fear. Effects the full length of the combat (not just first round), not just if you charge.
phoenix terminators are WS5
the cacophony weapons are heavy2, previously heavy1
Iron Warriors
iron circle added, elites choice, single unit can be taken as a command squad to perturabo. said unit gains a minor buff of their choice from a list.
tyrant seige terminator squads now heavy support choices
Imperial Fists
phalanx warder squads ‘shield wall’ rule fixed, now confers +1WS instead of +1I.
dorn’s chainsaw has ‘unwieldy’ replaced with ‘reaping blow’ (see DG section)
Night Lords
‘from the shadows’ confers 5+ cover save, use to be 6+
‘talent for murder’ confers +1 to hit and wound, use to be just to wound
terror squads gain ‘precision strike’
sevatar has his additional psyker rules from the FAQ added to his profile, also gains precision strike
Iron Hands
no changes
World eaters
‘blood lust’ is now on a 4+ rather than a roll of a 1.
previous version of ‘incarnate violence’ replaced with may re-roll 1’s to wound on the turn they charge
Ultramarine-Contemptor-Dreadnought-front
Ultramarines
no changes
Death Guard
may re-roll dangerous terrain tests, regardless of what the terrain is
instead of forcing successful rolls to wound with poison and fleshbane, DG get FNP(4+) instead
power scythes lose unwieldy and the ability to replace attack value with number of enemy models in base contact with the following
‘reaping blow’: -1 initiative, if in base contact with more than one model at their initiative step, they gain +1 attack
grave warden toxin rule replaced with ‘poison(3+)’ on death cloud and grenade launcher
deathshroud can be taken as a HQ or elites choice, plus as a command squad for a terminator praetor or mortarion.
mortarion’s scythe is no longer unwieldy, replaced with ‘reaping blow’.
mortarion’s witch spite only affects malediction powers affecting him or his squad
Sons of Horus
gain ‘death dealer’ to their legiones astartes rule, +1BS if shooting at an enemy within 12″ with a pistol, rapid fire or assault weapon, doesn’t effect snap fire, overwatch or fury of the legion shots.
justearins terminators start off at 255pts for 5 men, may still take upto 7 additional men. they now have 2 wounds
abaddon has precision strike
Word bearers
rules unchanged from tempest
Salamanders
no changes
Raven Guard
Mor deythan are 10pts more expensive at base cost (additional men are still same price)
all dark furies have raven talons by default, no price increase
dark fury sergeant gains ‘precision strike’
Kaedes nex gains precision shots
Alpha Legion (or are they?)
saboteur’s sabotage attack now AP3 against things with a toughness value, and AP2 against vehicles
headhunters come with combi-bolters as standard, may upgrade them to combi-weapons for the same cost as terminators can.
headhunters replace ‘preferred enemy’ with ‘precision shots’
those are the legion red book changes, but methinks he was asking about changes in the crusade army list red book from books 1-4.
I was, but that's all good info to know too. Holy moly, all death guard really have feel no pain 4+??? Or just against poison fleshbane hits?
2016/04/19 06:01:23
Subject: Re:Point cost differences between the legion astartes book and all the older books
I have that book and none of those changes are in it.
Are there more than one version of the book?
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life.
2016/04/19 14:02:15
Subject: Point cost differences between the legion astartes book and all the older books
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life.
2016/04/24 05:46:22
Subject: Re:Point cost differences between the legion astartes book and all the older books
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life.
2016/04/24 06:46:41
Subject: Re:Point cost differences between the legion astartes book and all the older books
