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From what I gather, standard Cadian uniforms are the khaki dress with green armor that you see on the box, with more specialized camo and clothing administered as needed (cold weather gear, vehicles painted appropriate camo for the theatre, etc.) Does anybody know if this is actual fluff or what? IMO it would be incredibly pointless to give each regiment a different uniform of a random color scheme when you could just make standard issue gear with a different regiment number slapped on.

Another issue that I've seen people talking about it why there are no female Cadian Shock Troop models when they're mentioned in the fluff. If I'm not mistaken, women, children too young for the whiteshields, and the elderly are sort of like PDF instead of actual IG.

If anybody has any info or input on the above I'd appreciate a little discussion.

There aren't any female models because GW can't be bothered to make the models

I dont know about specifically Cadian but there are many novels which have female Guard members eg Armageddon

I definitely read some short storie featuring a pretty bad-ass female guards-woman, can't remember the exact name though.

Making female cadians is pretty easy imo, just buy the heads from 3rd party and you're good to go.

Don't really remember any lines mentioning them having specialised camo.

GW will do female torso parts for eldar/dark eldar - but even the most butch elf is still a girlyman.

There are plenty of female IG.

As for colors...Why do different branches of the military use different camo patterns when on duty but not in warzones? Why do their dress uniforms differ?

IG regiments have different uniforms, sometimes just colors, sometimes the whole design, to distinguish themselves from others and preserve unit pride while showing where they are from.

 Chef_of_Cadia wrote:
IMO it would be incredibly pointless to give each regiment a different uniform of a random color scheme when you could just make standard issue gear with a different regiment number slapped on.

Uniform standardization for the Astra Militarum as a whole doesn't exist. The Green and Khaki colours belong to the Cadian 8th, and have since become a 'generic' scheme for forces from or supplied by Cadia. It isn't the only scheme they use, it's just one we see often out of the millions of Imperial Guard Regiments that we don't see. And there is nothing pointless about camo to prepare troops for their campaigns, it is one of the draws that AM have, the ability to paint camo for them and develop your own schemes if you choose to.

 Chef_of_Cadia wrote:

Another issue that I've seen people talking about it why there are no female Cadian Shock Troop models when they're mentioned in the fluff. If I'm not mistaken, women, children too young for the whiteshields, and the elderly are sort of like PDF instead of actual IG.

PDF's are the standing armed forces of their planet, and each planet is different. Some PDF's may be similiar to the US Military, combinations of land, sea and air with great force projection capabilities to defend their world, or they can be smaller and perhaps capable enough to defend just the Imperial cities and facilities on their planet untill reinforcements can arrive. How these PDF forces are organised, trained, equipped, is the responsibility of the local Planetary Governor so you can imagine whatever force you want the only rule here is that these PDF's can not have any off-world force projection capabilities or space fleets. (Some may have a small/limited space fleet but rare cases)

As for female Cadian Shock Troop models, it wouldn't make sense because GW only depict dedicated combat units, although Forge World should make troops for logistical or support roles and could easily include females there, I am surprised they haven't done so.

 Chef_of_Cadia wrote:

Another issue that I've seen people talking about it why there are no female Cadian Shock Troop models when they're mentioned in the fluff. If I'm not mistaken, women, children too young for the whiteshields, and the elderly are sort of like PDF instead of actual IG.

PDF's are the standing armed forces of their planet, and each planet is different. Some PDF's may be similiar to the US Military, combinations of land, sea and air with great force projection capabilities to defend their world, or they can be smaller and perhaps capable enough to defend just the Imperial cities and facilities on their planet untill reinforcements can arrive. How these PDF forces are organised, trained, equipped, is the responsibility of the local Planetary Governor so you can imagine whatever force you want the only rule here is that these PDF's can not have any off-world force projection capabilities or space fleets. (Some may have a small/limited space fleet but rare cases)

As for female Cadian Shock Troop models, it wouldn't make sense because GW only depict dedicated combat units, although Forge World should make troops for logistical or support roles and could easily include females there, I am surprised they haven't done so.

The only female Imperial Guardsmen I have seen is 2nd Lieutenant Mira from the game 'Space Marine' and IIRC she's from the logistical/support group within the Regiment which makes sense, of course if people are collecting Light Infantry Regiments then it would make sense to include women too.

 Chef_of_Cadia wrote:
From what I gather, standard Cadian uniforms are the khaki dress with green armor that you see on the box, with more specialized camo and clothing administered as needed (cold weather gear, vehicles painted appropriate camo for the theatre, etc.) Does anybody know if this is actual fluff or what? IMO it would be incredibly pointless to give each regiment a different uniform of a random color scheme when you could just make standard issue gear with a different regiment number slapped on.

Another issue that I've seen people talking about it why there are no female Cadian Shock Troop models when they're mentioned in the fluff. If I'm not mistaken, women, children too young for the whiteshields, and the elderly are sort of like PDF instead of actual IG.

If anybody has any info or input on the above I'd appreciate a little discussion.

The Cadian Interior Guard may be second line, but they are still one of the best PDFs in the Imperium (the other noteworthies being the Armageddon PDF and Ultramar Auxilia ). One out every ten of the very best of the Cadian Shock Troops is chosen to serve in the Interior Guard, and not the other way around. Mostly because of Cadia's importance to the Imperium. Everybody else on Cadia are trained "reservists" (i.e. well trained civvies with lasguns) and Whiteshields.






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Ginsu33 wrote:
The only female Imperial Guardsmen I have seen is 2nd Lieutenant Mira from the game 'Space Marine' and IIRC she's from the logistical/support group within the Regiment which makes sense, of course if people are collecting Light Infantry Regiments then it would make sense to include women too.

As far as I can tell, this is official artwork:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Chef_of_Cadia wrote:
From what I gather, standard Cadian uniforms are the khaki dress with green armor that you see on the box, with more specialized camo and clothing administered as needed (cold weather gear, vehicles painted appropriate camo for the theatre, etc.) Does anybody know if this is actual fluff or what? IMO it would be incredibly pointless to give each regiment a different uniform of a random color scheme when you could just make standard issue gear with a different regiment number slapped on.

Another issue that I've seen people talking about it why there are no female Cadian Shock Troop models when they're mentioned in the fluff. If I'm not mistaken, women, children too young for the whiteshields, and the elderly are sort of like PDF instead of actual IG.

If anybody has any info or input on the above I'd appreciate a little discussion.

The Cadian Interior Guard may be second line, but they are still one of the best PDFs in the Imperium (the other noteworthies being the Armageddon PDF and Ultramar Auxilia ). One out every ten of the very best of the Cadian Shock Troops is chosen to serve in the Interior Guard, and not the other way around. Mostly because of Cadia's importance to the Imperium. Everybody else on Cadia are trained "reservists" (i.e. well trained civvies with lasguns) and Whiteshields.






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Ginsu33 wrote:
The only female Imperial Guardsmen I have seen is 2nd Lieutenant Mira from the game 'Space Marine' and IIRC she's from the logistical/support group within the Regiment which makes sense, of course if people are collecting Light Infantry Regiments then it would make sense to include women too.

As far as I can tell, this is official artwork:

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image link is broken but I given the art style. looks like something from a FFG RPG book

Can't really comment on it since I can't see it, but assuming she's light dismounted infantry then I can accept that depiction of women in combat units as realistic.

The armies of the Imperium doesn't care about your gender men and women serve equaly in the name of the emperor. The gear and men is provided from the planet and most of them follow some form of medieval code of heraldry which lead them to proudly wear and display their colours or whatnot. Cadian in particular pay a lot of respect to the individual regiment history in addition to a near fanatical devotion toward the military tradition as a whole.

On the tabletop however you don't even have male nor female human serving in the guard since they are clearly Angry Potatoes in military uniform.

Ginsu33 wrote:
Can't really comment on it since I can't see it, but assuming she's light dismounted infantry then I can accept that depiction of women in combat units as realistic.

Why would something like, say, female tank commanders be unrealistic? The regimental commander of my Solar Auxilia tank regiment is female, and she commands out of a modified Stormlord superheavy tank.

 Chef_of_Cadia wrote:
From what I gather, standard Cadian uniforms are the khaki dress with green armor that you see on the box, with more specialized camo and clothing administered as needed (cold weather gear, vehicles painted appropriate camo for the theatre, etc.) Does anybody know if this is actual fluff or what? IMO it would be incredibly pointless to give each regiment a different uniform of a random color scheme when you could just make standard issue gear with a different regiment number slapped on.

The khaki with green is the Cadian 8th's "dress" uniform--and apparently is common to many other Cadian Regiments as well.

The Eisenhorn trilogy's second book talks about how you could tell where a Cadian was from based upon their clothing. Those who lived outside of the Kasrs(the city-fortresses) would wear camouflage clothing appropriate to their home turf(those who lived in the mountains would have wintry camo, those from the marshes would have woodland camo, etc) and those who lived within the cities would be wearing urban camo clothing.

Another issue that I've seen people talking about it why there are no female Cadian Shock Troop models when they're mentioned in the fluff. If I'm not mistaken, women, children too young for the whiteshields, and the elderly are sort of like PDF instead of actual IG.

Nope, women serve in the Shock Troops proper.
The elderly and disabled still work towards making sure the Cadians are ready for a war footing, but it kinda depends on if we're talking about a Shock regiment serving on Cadia proper or as part of a Crusade fleet. The same goes for children too young for the Whiteshields(although there's mentions elsewhere of a kind of 'pre-Whiteshield' Youth Army which the younger children get recruited into and it serves as indoctrination training for the Whiteshields).

Someone mentioned the "Cadian Interior Guard". There's two variations on that specific item: Pre-Cruddace and Post-Cruddace.

Pre-Cruddace, the Cadian Interior Guard was frontline Cadian Shock Troop Regiments being rotated out of service to serve a tour of duty stationed on Cadia proper.
Post-Cruddace, they're "just" another PDF.

Some of the first Imperial Guard troops made by GW back in the eighties were female. I still have some somewhere.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Ginsu33 wrote:
Can't really comment on it since I can't see it, but assuming she's light dismounted infantry then I can accept that depiction of women in combat units as realistic.

Why would something like, say, female tank commanders be unrealistic? The regimental commander of my Solar Auxilia tank regiment is female, and she commands out of a modified Stormlord superheavy tank.

I'm talking about infantry roles to be specific.

 Ginsu33 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Ginsu33 wrote:
Can't really comment on it since I can't see it, but assuming she's light dismounted infantry then I can accept that depiction of women in combat units as realistic.

Why would something like, say, female tank commanders be unrealistic? The regimental commander of my Solar Auxilia tank regiment is female, and she commands out of a modified Stormlord superheavy tank.

I'm talking about infantry roles to be specific.

keep digging a hole for yourself buddy. women can do everything men can, sure some stuff might be harder for em on average, but that won't stop anything. fact is a Cadian woman could kick your ass, even if you're a super spec forces infantry guy... a Cadian woman could proably kick your ass.

BrianDavion wrote:
keep digging a hole for yourself buddy. women can do everything men can, sure some stuff might be harder for em on average, but that won't stop anything. fact is a Cadian woman could kick your ass, even if you're a super spec forces infantry guy... a Cadian woman could proably kick your ass.

This. Every Cadian citizen is trained in weapons use and combat. As I recall their PDF recruitment rate is the same as the birth rate of the planet, beating even little Finland where women can serve by volunteering and something like 85% of men complete their service. On Cadia everyone wears combat fatigue, over here you usually only have guys telling military stories when drunk. Those of the menfolk who did our mandatory service greatly respect the women who volunteered.

BrianDavion wrote:


keep digging a hole for yourself buddy. women can do everything men can, sure some stuff might be harder for em on average, but that won't stop anything. fact is a Cadian woman could kick your ass, even if you're a super spec forces infantry guy... a Cadian woman could proably kick your ass.

What's with the attitude 'buddy'? I don't recall saying anything about what women can or can not do. FYI an Ork could crush your skull, what relevance that has here is beyond me but perhaps you can tell me?

Spetulhu wrote:

This. Every Cadian citizen is trained in weapons use and combat. As I recall their PDF recruitment rate is the same as the birth rate of the planet, beating even little Finland where women can serve by volunteering and something like 85% of men complete their service.

I never see them depicted, and I don't understand the reason for depicting them because 1: Astra Militarum are deployed to very long sustained operations, and 2: Women infantry burn out after 2 weeks of sustained soldiering as regular combat infantry. I mean sure if Cadia wants to do that then whatever, just don't see the point when there are a dozen jobs women could fill within the Regiments.

Edit: Israel IS Cadia in a conscription sense, uses women in mixed infantry and are the main reason we DONT use women as regular infantry. So it all seems a bit nonsense to argue otherwise. (that includes the US Rangers pushing 2 women through boot).

not sure if this has become more of a row about should women be allowed in current real world front line forces but putting that to an aside.

In 40k the imperium needs numbers quality is far out weighed by quantity in the meatgrinder of the grimdark.

It doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman you are just a guardsman (yes I know that's a masculine form but get over it)

regards to camo and equipment, in old old school fluff everyone got the same grey camo and flak vest irrespective of where you came from - back then the munitorum was very much different in its capability. that has been superceded by they have pretty much whatever they got given when they were founded plus anything they could scrounge since then.

there is plenty of descriptions of troops going into warzones totally contri to their skills or equipment - valhallans in deserts and tallarns in sibera etc.

If you are lucky you get kit that suits where the hell you are fighting, if not you have to make do

GW makes female Cadians. It is just that at 28mm scale and beneath that breastplate and huge helmet there shouldn't be much of a visual difference.

Whoa. I never expected this topic to blow up so much. There's no need to turn this into a gender war or anything, I was just wondering about the fluff is all.

 Chef_of_Cadia wrote:
Whoa. I never expected this topic to blow up so much. There's no need to turn this into a gender war or anything, I was just wondering about the fluff is all.

You should always expect the worst if you are on the internet especially if you are talking about politics, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else like that whether fictional or not. Some people just can't in this case allow women to be equal to men or at the very least do the same thing a man can do without becoming little bitch about it.

Shame!

It is definitely worth noting to some of you that I SPECIFICALLY mean Cadian regiments, not something like Tanith or home brew regiments. I'm not trying to say that I dislike the thought of Cadians deploying women, just that since they're based on real world military, it would be unrealistic.

 Chef_of_Cadia wrote:
It is definitely worth noting to some of you that I SPECIFICALLY mean Cadian regiments, not something like Tanith or home brew regiments. I'm not trying to say that I dislike the thought of Cadians deploying women, just that since they're based on real world military, it would be unrealistic.

Unfortunately, while you might be under the impression that Cadians are "based on real world military" in terms of doctrine or deployments--they're not.

Every man and woman that is able to serve is serving in the Cadian Shock Troop Regiments. Once kids are hitting puberty, they get drafted into the Cadian Youth Armies(read: where they train the kids before putting them into the Whiteshield Platoons) where they're training with live rounds and engaging in wars between what is effectively their own little 'forts'.

Cadia is basically one giant office with a Nerf gun fight--if the Nerf guns were firing lasers.

Everyone gets a shot to sterilize them for ten years then goes and serves. Everyone. Women included. Gotta imagine in the grim dark future where chaos invades your planet often, everyone grows balls of steel and boobs of iron.

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:

You should always expect the worst if you are on the internet especially if you are talking about politics, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else like that whether fictional or not. Some people just can't in this case allow women to be equal to men or at the very least do the same thing a man can do without becoming little bitch about it.

Shame!

Don't be ignorant, no one has a problem with women serving, that isn't the issue.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Every man and woman that is able to serve is serving in the Cadian Shock Troop Regiments. Once kids are hitting puberty, they get drafted into the Cadian Youth Armies(read: where they train the kids before putting them into the Whiteshield Platoons) where they're training with live rounds and engaging in wars between what is effectively their own little 'forts'.

Cadia is basically one giant office with a Nerf gun fight--if the Nerf guns were firing lasers.

Women infantry are not suited to soldiering the same way male regular infantry are. To give an in-world example, if an Cadian infantry Regiment comprised of Guardsmen on foot has to march from point A to point B, according to real world data (USMC, IDF) women have a higher percentage of sustaining injury, worse still once finally making it to point B not every woman would be able to continue further, and finally the most physically capable women will burn out if they are required to be physically active and mobile on foot for days at a time, within two weeks every female will be a causality within the Regiment unless they are operating in a defensive position, have mobility with vehicles and are not required to run around much or at least for days at a time.

Only the IDF make use of women in mixed, light infantry role regiments that are mounted in vehicles because the women don't have to sustain that kind of punishment from walking around. I don't know what Cadian or Astra Militarum Regiments do this, since the sentinel seems adapt to that role.

You might think Mechanized, but they have the same standards and expectations as regular infantry, especially if their mobility is lost in combat due to causalities/destruction of vehicles etc.

So what does Cadia do with these situations? Nothing? Not even considered? That is ridiculous.. heck Space Marines are fictional and have a fictional reason to exclude women so fair enough, rules of the lore.. Yet humans (cadians are human apart from different eye colour and skin tone right) are suddenly different without any explanation in the lore... a simple 'Cadian women are stronger/more edurance than Terra women' would suffice very easily.

But as I said before, the images and fluff from GW don't reflect this, just 3rd parties trying to be 'different' or 'with the times' are, if people want to pretend then they can enjoy their fan-fiction.

 Ginsu33 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Every man and woman that is able to serve is serving in the Cadian Shock Troop Regiments. Once kids are hitting puberty, they get drafted into the Cadian Youth Armies(read: where they train the kids before putting them into the Whiteshield Platoons) where they're training with live rounds and engaging in wars between what is effectively their own little 'forts'.

Cadia is basically one giant office with a Nerf gun fight--if the Nerf guns were firing lasers.

Women infantry are not suited to soldiering the same way male regular infantry are. To give an in-world example, if an Cadian infantry Regiment comprised of Guardsmen on foot has to march from point A to point B, according to real world data (USMC, IDF) women have a higher percentage of sustaining injury, worse still once finally making it to point B not every woman would be able to continue further, and finally the most physically capable women will burn out if they are required to be physically active and mobile on foot for days at a time, within two weeks every female will be a causality within the Regiment unless they are operating in a defensive position, have mobility with vehicles and are not required to run around much or at least for days at a time.

Only the IDF make use of women in mixed, light infantry role regiments that are mounted in vehicles because the women don't have to sustain that kind of punishment from walking around. I don't know what Cadian or Astra Militarum Regiments do this, since the sentinel seems adapt to that role.

You might think Mechanized, but they have the same standards and expectations as regular infantry, especially if their mobility is lost in combat due to causalities/destruction of vehicles etc.

So what does Cadia do with these situations? Nothing? Not even considered? That is ridiculous.. heck Space Marines are fictional and have a fictional reason to exclude women so fair enough, rules of the lore.. Yet humans (cadians are human apart from different eye colour and skin tone right) are suddenly different without any explanation in the lore... a simple 'Cadian women are stronger/more edurance than Terra women' would suffice very easily.

But as I said before, the images and fluff from GW don't reflect this, just 3rd parties trying to be 'different' or 'with the times' are, if people want to pretend then they can enjoy their fan-fiction.

Most duties a guardsman has, as laid down in the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer, are spent on sentry duty and on defence - not marching. The vast majority of engagements run by the AM are trench warfare based, so marching really isn't a priority. It's really just a case of "stay here, stop the enemy getting past, and when they die, we'll pick you up."
And a Cadian woman can fire a lasgun just as well as a man, and can die just as easy too.

And who says that Cadian women are different to Terran women? Due to simple genetic evolution, it's not unreasonable to assume that women become just as competent as men over 38000 years, and that all women could serve.

And there are multiple sources that would support women in a combat role, not just in the Cadian military.
Sources: FFG's Only War (which actually lets you play as a female guardsman in any capability), Space Marine, Gaunt's Ghosts (which features plenty of marching and no mechanised) and the Ciaphas Cain novels (which support an entire female regiment, albeit Valhallan, not Cadian). However, it is noted that less the 10% of overall guardsmen are female, in the same source.

Only War artwork - the first is rather large, but fits well. The last is a Catachan, but still serves the point.

Pretty sure just like in our current world. There would be drugs to get rid of that time of month so please drop that stupid argument.

Unless you have served with woman in a unit please shut it. While you are correct the most in shape man will beat a in shape woman. Most combat ready woman can serve fine and there are plenty of fatties in the military who are male.

Gaunts soldiers include a decent amount of very capable woman.