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Now some might say that this topic is more common than a corpse.... Forget that, I was seeing two world's, one of which is the "grimdark future" were the space marines armour is more tougher than anything found on earth. And strength 3 weapons can kill a man with one shot. And then there's the "game future" (I clearly need to specify these more better) where the future is total crap. And a space marines armour is just plastic and a lasgun is literally a flash light, and a boltgun is equivalent to a sling-shot with a lead ball. And the massive tanks are just glass models. Now I know most of these come from a book, or some other type of media. And I literally see a future where o.p weapons and equipment has a good chance of happening.

What do you think my dudes

I try not to let game mechanics confuse me, because it's all scaled down for funsies. if I could kill a company of IG with a space marine tatical squad no one would play guard.

I'm not sure what you are even asking here.

If we believe in massive inconsistency in lore? Yeah that's true, but neither one of them are right or wrong because there is no real in between.

I'm not really sure what the question is.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
I'm not sure what you are even asking here.

If we believe in massive inconsistency in lore? Yeah that's true, but neither one of them are right or wrong because there is no real in between.

I'm not really sure what the question is.

I take it that this thread is in response to the frequent criticism the OP gets in his other threads regarding how disparate and uneven the fluff is. Not even considering in-game rules, two different books will have the same person or weapon being capable of vastly different feats. This doesn't jive with his general sentiment of "lasguns are a billion times better than an assault rifle, they can vaporize someone's arm! And one Space Marine could kill every soldier on modern-day Earth!" So it seems he is clumsily trying to get people to agree with him, albeit in a near indecipherable way.

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
I'm not sure what you are even asking here.

If we believe in massive inconsistency in lore? Yeah that's true, but neither one of them are right or wrong because there is no real in between.

I'm not really sure what the question is.

I take it that this thread is in response to the frequent criticism the OP gets in his other threads regarding how disparate and uneven the fluff is. Not even considering in-game rules, two different books will have the same person or weapon being capable of vastly different feats. This doesn't jive with his general sentiment of "lasguns are a billion times better than an assault rifle, they can vaporize someone's arm! And one Space Marine could kill every soldier on modern-day Earth!" So it seems he is clumsily trying to get people to agree with him, albeit in a near indecipherable way.

See this is better formulated

to answer, no, i dont think they really are that strong. Lore is vastly inconsistent, and thats due to the magnitude of writers who dont collaborate. A las rifle can inflict large amounts of tissue damage, but not much armor damage, while space marine armor can absorb a good amount of thermal and physical damage.

The largest amount of inconstancy is not so much in weapons, but rather in armor. The most notable and biggest offender in armor inconsistency is terminator armor. Some lore shows it taking a massive amount of damage from cannon, laser, and all sorts of other stuff, yet can be punched through like a wet paper bag by a genestealer.

To ask whats more true, is like arguing the shade of blue the sky is, its a moot one.

OP is looking for justification to his own head canon which is fine, but its his own head canon, no one else, or few will agree with it, thats what makes it head canon.

For me, since this is a made-up game, I treat the game mechanics as the "source of truth". The incosistancies in stories is those events where the character's "dice" are on fire or abyssmal (though granted, I've only read codex and rulebook lore/stories). The novels are akin to Mallory's tales of King Arthur and his knights, who cut off limbs with their swords, pull swords from ladies in the lake and whatnot, compared to the game rules being the archeological finds surround the Dark Age Romanized Arthur of "history".

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, since this is a made-up game, I treat the game mechanics as the "source of truth". The incosistancies in stories is those events where the character's "dice" are on fire or abyssmal (though granted, I've only read codex and rulebook lore/stories). The novels are akin to Mallory's tales of King Arthur and his knights, who cut off limbs with their swords, pull swords from ladies in the lake and whatnot, compared to the game rules being the archeological finds surround the Dark Age Romanized Arthur of "history".

I agree with this. I think with the bulk of complaints ("why aren't muh space murines able to kill a company of guardsmen???") it all comes down to the fact that, for the space marines, a mass engagement of equal strength with two forces that know they're going to be fighting would be the most devastating setup for a battle the space marines could ever imagine.

A force like the marines, with the numbers they have, and the methods they have of insertion and completion of their objectives would lead to them almost always fighting the enemy where they're weakest, not an equivalent engagement like a standard game of 40k.

Everything else? Imperial propaganda.

Skulls are cliché in 40K.