General Trans bathroom thread, incl. target, federal involvement and more

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**agnosto**

bound for glory wrote:
It could certainly happen now. But why open that can of worms(no pun intended.)?

I have a first cousin who is transgendered, and she and her "click" are against all this "look at me!! I'm so special everyone should cater to me and i will bully you until you do so" mindset. She refuses to "make waves" so to speak. and would rather not drawl attention to herself.

I understand and respect that.

Just like any population or group, I think you'll find that your cousin is in the majority rather than the vocal minority.

**feeder**

bound for glory wrote:
Can't wait for the first assult on a woman by a guy who puts one and one togeather and thinks,"hey! if i dress like a lady, i can go in a rest room and rape a woman!"

I don't think it will take much time until it happens. Mean to say, all it will take is for a women to feel threatened by a transgendered person, and we're off...

Bad decisions just to catter to a tiny segment of mankind.

The problem with this line of thinking is there are already laws in place regarding rape, assault, voyuerism, and other crimes that 'pretend trans' may commit.

There is no requirement for this law other than, "Eww, trans people"

**d-usa**

At least conservatives finally realized the power of plastic signs and are starting to embrace the concept of gun free zones by adding rape free zones to the mix.

I'm also happy that they are focusing on making sure that child molesters and serial rapists are put in their rightful place: the bathroom with their little boys.

**Ouze**

d-usa wrote:
At least conservatives finally realized the power of plastic signs and are starting to embrace the concept of gun free zones by adding rape free zones to the mix.

I'm also happy that they are focusing on making sure that child molesters and serial rapists are put in their rightful place: the bathroom with their little boys.

Indeed, I've never seen such a miraculous ideological turnaround with regards to how gun-free zones are actually a great idea, as long as the signs are prominently posted.

**reds8n**

... but you will or will not need to wash your hands afterwards ?

**kronk**

bound for glory wrote:

I have a first cousin who is transgendered, and she and her "click" are against all this "look at me!! I'm so special everyone should cater to me and i will bully you until you do so" mindset. She refuses to "make waves" so to speak. and would rather not drawl attention to herself.

I understrand and respect that.

I can respect a trans-gendered person that knows her/his fething place, too! Get to the back of the bus!

/sarcasm

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reds8n wrote:
... but you will or will not need to wash your hands afterwards ?

As I travel every week, and have gotten to use more airport restrooms than I would care to, I cannot believe the % of men that don't wash their hands. I'd put it at 75%. Easy.

**Ouze**

Well, firing a gun tends to eject hot gases from every available outlet - generally forward, but at least some tends to escape from the ejection port and action - and in that hot gas is microscopic fragments of burning power, lead, and so on.

So it's best to wash your hands whether you're hot off secret-transgender-bathroom-assaulting or a school-or-workplace shooting, certainly before eating or drinking something.

kronk wrote:
As I travel every week, and have gotten to use more airport restrooms than I would care to, I cannot believe the % of men that don't wash their hands. I'd put it at 75%. Easy.

This is the bathroom issue we should be talking about. How many more Chipotle foodborne poisoning outbreaks must we endure before Obama speaks out on this issue? Is he secretly a dump & dasher, himself?

**feeder**

kronk wrote:
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reds8n wrote:
... but you will or will not need to wash your hands afterwards ?

As I travel every week, and have gotten to use more airport restrooms than I would care to, I cannot believe the % of men that don't wash their hands. I'd put it at 75%. Easy.

I fully support the following and believe it should be added to the building code everywhere:

**d-usa**

Ouze wrote:
d-usa wrote:
At least conservatives finally realized the power of plastic signs and are starting to embrace the concept of gun free zones by adding rape free zones to the mix.

I'm also happy that they are focusing on making sure that child molesters and serial rapists are put in their rightful place: the bathroom with their little boys.

Indeed, I've never seen such a miraculous ideological turnaround with regards to how gun-free zones are actually a great idea, as long as the signs are prominently posted.

Maybe liberals should return the favor and embrace the conservative idea: the only thing that will stop a bad guy with a penis, is a good guy with a penis. If more non-rapist men would decide to use the women's restroom, then rapists would be stopped.

**agnosto**

Ouze wrote:

This is the bathroom issue we should be talking about. How many more Chipotle foodborne poisoning outbreaks must we endure before Obama speaks out on this issue? Is he secretly a dump & dasher, himself?

Amen!

I never did get the hoopla over this but maybe that's because I lived in Korea for so long. I'll never forget my first experience with a unisex bathroom, standing at a urinal, a mirror to the left and seeing a woman walk behind me to get to the stall.

**Frazzled**

agnosto wrote:
So, where's the outrage over Starbucks following the same policy?

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my lactose free triple latte moche cappacino expresso being made.

I'd point out that Barnes & Nobles also has the same policy, but I suspect the people who think this is a good hill to die on might not be heavy readers.

There is so much win in one post its breathtaking.

**A Town Called Malus**

Frazzled wrote:

I'd point out that Barnes & Nobles also has the same policy, but I suspect the people who think this is a good hill to die on might not be heavy readers.

There is so much win in one post its breathtaking.

Agreed. Quick, everyone exalt Ouze's post so he's in the running for most exalted post award this year!

**insaniak**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
agnosto wrote:
So, where's the outrage over Starbucks following the same policy?

People can live without Target. They cannot live without coffee.

Just picking their battles

I'm not sure what exactly it is that Starbucks sells, but it sure as hell isn't coffee...

**A Town Called Malus**

insaniak wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:
agnosto wrote:
So, where's the outrage over Starbucks following the same policy?

People can live without Target. They cannot live without coffee.

Just picking their battles

I'm not sure what exactly it is that Starbucks sells, but it sure as hell isn't coffee...

That is true, though we could refer to Ouze's post about them not being well-read and then extrapolate it to them also not knowing real coffee

**MrMoustaffa**

agnosto wrote:
So, where's the outrage over Starbucks following the same policy?

Extreme right wingers may be crazy, but even they aren't crazy enough to spend $10 on a cup of coffee

Therefore they don't know Starbucks is doing it

EDIT: And then I remember all the morons who brought friggin m16's to Starbucks to "support" it for not having "no guns allowed" signs.

Good lord that hurt to watch.

**sirlynchmob**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
agnosto wrote:
So, where's the outrage over Starbucks following the same policy?

Extreme right wingers may be crazy, but even they aren't crazy enough to spend $10 on a cup of coffee

Therefore they don't know Starbucks is doing it

EDIT: And then I remember all the morons who brought friggin m16's to Starbucks to "support" it for not having "no guns allowed" signs.

Good lord that hurt to watch.

My favorite was their boycott starbucks because their cups didn't show off enough santa icons. So to show their disdain for starbucks, they bought star bucks coffee and told them their name was 'merry xmas'. Boy that showed them, after a beating like that the rightwingers figured starbucks wouldn't dare step out of line again

**DutchWinsAll**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
agnosto wrote:
So, where's the outrage over Starbucks following the same policy?

Extreme right wingers may be crazy, but even they aren't crazy enough to spend $10 on a cup of coffee

Therefore they don't know Starbucks is doing it

.

Maybe this is just my neck of the woods but a large Starbucks coffee is ~2.40 while a large Timmy's is ~2.00. One can be drank without milk and sugar, and one is terrible even with. Replace Tim Horton's with Dunkin if you don't live near or in Canada. Just never got that argument that Starbucks is this ultra-expensive coffee place. It's far from the best coffee, but if you drink yours black, its sadly some of the best you'll get from a chain nationwide. They even had to produce a lighter shittier coffee to appease the milk and sugar loving people. YMMV but I just dont find Starbucks to be that expensive or pretentious. Try a store that roasts their "fair-trade" beans if you want that.

And more on topic, I actually understand what bound to glory was saying, albeit in a terrible way.

My current girlfriend (? I'm not really sure what we are honestly) is a trans-woman, and her response when one of my friends brought up the NC bill was along the lines of "oh really? that's pretty stupid" kind of how I feel about the laws on cannabis. It's a "feel-good" law for frightened older people that grew up in a time when you just weren't even gay. If you were, you for feth sure didn't talk about, and your family for feth sure didn't talk about it. Therefore, it didn't exist. Even when your husband was sneaking off to the park late at night to grab some ankle.

Isn't a little bit of understanding for these people warranted? I mean, explaining things with them is gonna work better than "uh I'm on the right side of history you bigot!" I'm not talking about anyone here in particular, and I know dealing with die-hard "social conservatives" can be taxing, but I do see a lot of Us vs. Them in a lot the dialogue about any trans issues, and I kinda don't like it

And if you really want to feth with somebody that's virulently anti-trans, show them a few select pics of Sarina Valentina without letting them know. I'd say Bailey Jay too, but she's gotten a lot more public attention. Either way they'll get mad at themselves and/or they're genitals.

**Peregrine**

DutchWinsAll wrote:
Isn't a little bit of understanding for these people warranted?

Honestly, it depends on the person. Are they mostly just uninformed about the subject and showing a willingness to learn when presented with better information? Sure, I'll explain why they're wrong and not just try to bite their heads off. But there are a lot of people who go well beyond merely not knowing anything and into active bigotry. When someone has been told how the situation works, been given an opportunity to understand it, and still comes back with "JESUS HATES THEM THINK OF THE CHILDREN" then all you can really do is make is absolutely clear to anyone watching that the person is a bigot and their behavior is not acceptable.

**DutchWinsAll**

Peregrine wrote:
DutchWinsAll wrote:
Isn't a little bit of understanding for these people warranted?

Honestly, it depends on the person. Are they mostly just uninformed about the subject and showing a willingness to learn when presented with better information? Sure, I'll explain why they're wrong and not just try to bite their heads off. But there are a lot of people who go well beyond merely not knowing anything and into active bigotry. When someone has been told how the situation works, been given an opportunity to understand it, and still comes back with "JESUS HATES THEM THINK OF THE CHILDREN" then all you can really do is make is absolutely clear to anyone watching that the person is a bigot and their behavior is not acceptable.

And I respect that viewpoint. But really, how many people are honestly willing to learn? A solid percentage of children aren't. It just gets worse as people age, in general.

I understand where you're coming from, but I just don't think that it works. When you hit people like that over the head with facts, they double down and harden up their views.

I guess I find a problem with anyone deciding what is acceptable behavior for someone else, crimes and whatnot notwithstanding.

People can be informed of trans issues and not like them, just like people can be informed of gay issues and not like them, just like people can be informed of religious issues and not like them (you see where I'm going with this) An open mind for dialogue is the best way to move forward, not instantly shutting down the other side. That type of viewpoint comes from the same part of the brain as their bigotry.

**TheWaspinator**

For people who say that they don't want men walking into the women's bathroom, do you realize that these laws would make people who look like this have to use the women's bathroom?

http://www.oddee.com/item_98038.aspx

**d-usa**

At least we now have men going into women's bathroom so that they can kick women out of the women's bathroom:

The way things are headed, with Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick setting the state's legislative agenda, Texas may very well have its own crack squad of bathroom police. In the meantime, it's up to self-appointed enforcers of traditional gender norms to adjudicate which bathrooms strangers should use.

Case in point: the man who, um, heroically barged into a women's restroom at Baylor Medical Center in Frisco on Thursday to make sure that Jessica Rush, who manages a local health-food takeout place, was peeing in the proper place.

She was, for the record, and her situation isn't particularly complicated. Rush was born and identifies as female and has no plans to change that. "I look very much like a girl," she says. "I'm not trying to transition, nothing like that."

But Rush wears her hair in a bleached blond fauxhawk and dresses androgynously. On Thursday, she was wearing a T-shirt from her alma mater, Texas Tech, with basketball shorts. As the man at Baylor explained after walking into the restroom behind her, it's all very confusing.

Rush caught the latter end of the exchange on video:

"When I saw you enter I thought you was..." the man says.

"A boy?" Rush offers.

"Yeah, it was kind of confusing." Certainly she can see why. "You dress like a man," he says several times as he walks away.

Later, in the doctor's office lobby where Rush was waiting to have a pair of broken fingers looked at, the man elaborated that he was concerned that a man had entered the same bathroom his mother was going to use.

The point is I was helping my mom. I was confused when I see someone entering the woman's bathroom looking like a man," he said. "Each one of us is man or woman so ... I wanted to make sure she was going to the right place." Because in times like these, you can never be too careful.

The guy at Baylor isn't the first person who's found himself confused by Rush's self-presentation. Once, when Rush was at Hobby Lobby, a woman accosted her for trying to enter the restroom her granddaughter was using. Another women berated Rush for brazenly waltzing into the 24 Hour Fitness locker room before recognizing that Rush was, in fact, a woman and muttering an apology. And pretty much whenever she goes into the restroom at the mall, she'll hear kids murmur "Mom, there's a boy in the girls' bathroom!"

The confusion isn't universal, however. Once, because the women's restroom was full and figuring that everyone mistook her for a dude anyways, she tried using the men's bathroom at a bar. Its occupants were immediately panic stricken. "Whoa, there's a chick in the bathroom!" they yelled. "Get out, get out!"

"It makes me feel suuuper insecure," Rush says of the bathroom confrontations. Sometimes, like with the grandmother at Hobby Lobby, it's merely embarrassing. At other times, like when a man twice her size follows her into a hospital bathroom, it's scary. "Welcome to my world," Rush wrote when she posted the Baylor videos on Facebook. "Do you actually think I would choose this life?

**LordofHats**

The guy at Baylor isn't the first person who's found himself confused by Rush's self-presentation. Once, when Rush was at Hobby Lobby, a woman accosted her for trying to enter the restroom her granddaughter was using

Why do I feel like this was inevitable?

**Iron_Captain**

agnosto wrote:
Ouze wrote:

This is the bathroom issue we should be talking about. How many more Chipotle foodborne poisoning outbreaks must we endure before Obama speaks out on this issue? Is he secretly a dump & dasher, himself?

Amen!

Funnily enough, a new research was recently published that stated that people in the Western world are 'too clean' because they wash and shower too often. It proved that this leads to increased health issues because less exposure to bacteria and viruses means the body builds up less resistance. In particular, the research linked the huge increase of diabetes in the Western world to increased cleanliness.

In other words, it might actually be healthy for you to forget washing your hands every now and then.

**Kovnik Obama**

BuFFo wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Wait....people still shop at Target....I think...I might have one near me somewhere...

My girlfriend does.... and she would never want to share a bathroom with a man, for what that's worth.

Why...? I really don't get any of this non-issue. Surely you don't believe it's more pleasant to poop and piss amongst your own gender? I mean, it's pooping and pissing, it's never fun, and it's always terrible when you're aware of someone else doing it in your vicinity, regardless of gender.

**Easy E**

I think the real bathroom issue we need to be discussing is why more group bathrooms don't have Muzak machines and white-noise generators. No one wants to hear other people using the restroom!

Under an Easy E administration, such devices would be mandatory in all public restrooms. #NeverTrump #WriteinEasyE.

**kronk**

Easy E wrote:
I think the real bathroom issue we need to be discussing is why more group bathrooms don't have Muzak machines and white-noise generators. No one wants to hear other people using the restroom!

Under an Easy E administration, such devices would be mandatory in all public restrooms. #NeverTrump #WriteinEasyE.

Voting early and often for Easy E!

As for Starbucks:

Let's roll.

**Frazzled**

kronk wrote:
Easy E wrote:
I think the real bathroom issue we need to be discussing is why more group bathrooms don't have Muzak machines and white-noise generators. No one wants to hear other people using the restroom!

Under an Easy E administration, such devices would be mandatory in all public restrooms. #NeverTrump #WriteinEasyE.

Voting early and often for Easy E!

Finally a campaign promise I can get behind.

**MrMoustaffa**

I still don't get the separation and phobia bit.

As a guy who has worked outdoors quite a bit, you really don't see the point after a while.

Oftentimes guys and girls shared the same latrine/gakbucket, or we'd be in the woods casually talking to one another while someone took a leak with talking distance.

Heck, back when I worked in prarie areas, you'd be standing in a field with no cover in sight, so if a woman had to use the bathroom you'd pull the truck up to block one likely avenue of someone walking up, then have the guys stand in a line for the next likely direction like we were blocking a soccer penalty kick so she'd have some privacy with her not very far behind us.

Not to mention all the gas stations we'd go to where the line would be long for one gender so we'd all just use the other one (with no funny business) and no one batted an eye in what were very conservative parts of the country.

Not to mention the common occurrence of people occasionally zoning out and walking into the "wrong" bathroom.

I just don't get it. Personally it wouldn't make any real difference to me if we had just big ol unisex bathrooms, as long as I've got access to a urinal so I'm not stuck in a massive line just to take a leak. Nature is already like that and it's never bothered me

**agnosto**

Easy E wrote:
I think the real bathroom issue we need to be discussing is why more group bathrooms don't have Muzak machines and white-noise generators. No one wants to hear other people using the restroom!

Under an Easy E administration, such devices would be mandatory in all public restrooms. #NeverTrump #WriteinEasyE.

Funnily enough, Japanese public restrooms often are equipped with devices that produce flushing sounds for people to cover up their bathroom noise. The standard previously was to do a "courtesy flush" but it wasted too much water.

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MrMoustaffa wrote:
I still don't get the separation and phobia bit.

As a guy who has worked outdoors quite a bit, you really don't see the point after a while.

Oftentimes guys and girls shared the same latrine/gakbucket, or we'd be in the woods casually talking to one another while someone took a leak with talking distance.

Heck, back when I worked in prarie areas, you'd be standing in a field with no cover in sight, so if a woman had to use the bathroom you'd pull the truck up to block one likely avenue of someone walking up, then have the guys stand in a line for the next likely direction like we were blocking a soccer penalty kick so she'd have some privacy with her not very far behind us.

Not to mention all the gas stations we'd go to where the line would be long for one gender so we'd all just use the other one (with no funny business) and no one batted an eye in what were very conservative parts of the country.

Not to mention the common occurrence of people occasionally zoning out and walking into the "wrong" bathroom.

I just don't get it. Personally it wouldn't make any real difference to me if we had just big ol unisex bathrooms, as long as I've got access to a urinal so I'm not stuck in a massive line just to take a leak. Nature is already like that and it's never bothered me

Why didn't the women just use one of these? http://www.amazon.com/Go-Girl-Female-Urination-Lavender/dp/B003BEDUS6

I've seen disposable versions as well.

**MrMoustaffa**

agnosto wrote:
Why didn't the women just use one of these? http://www.amazon.com/Go-Girl-Female-Urination-Lavender/dp/B003BEDUS6

I've seen disposable versions as well.
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If you could've heard some of the horror stories girls told me about those things, you'd understand why they prefer squatting, let's just leave it at that.