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There are religious objections to transpersons? Cain was black and transgendered?

How do you 'religiously reject' a transperson using a bathroom???

 whembly wrote:
How do you 'religiously reject' a transperson using a bathroom???

You don't.

 whembly wrote:
How do you 'religiously reject' a transperson using a bathroom???

Step 1: live in Oklahoma.

 d-usa wrote:

 whembly wrote:
How do you 'religiously reject' a transperson using a bathroom???

Step 1: live in Oklahoma.

Good point... as Fraz would say: "Oklahoma is FLAT!"

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 whembly wrote:
How do you 'religiously reject' a transperson using a bathroom???

Step 1: live in Oklahoma.

Good point... as Fraz would say: "Oklahoma is FLAT!"

Cause it was born a male state?


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Here is our lovely bill.

 d-usa wrote:
My state is doing what my state does best, and they are currently working on a religious protection bill that would require schools to build a third bathroom, so that if a student or parent raises a religious objection to having to share a bathroom with someone that is transgender they can go to the separate "birth gender only" bathroom.

I'm assuming this is the version of "they" that goes in the sentence "they are trans, make them use a different bathroom" rather than the version that goes in "They felt uncomfortable, so they used a birth gender only bathroom"?

 Goliath wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
My state is doing what my state does best, and they are currently working on a religious protection bill that would require schools to build a third bathroom, so that if a student or parent raises a religious objection to having to share a bathroom with someone that is transgender they can go to the separate "birth gender only" bathroom.

I'm assuming this is the version of "they" that goes in the sentence "they are trans, make them use a different bathroom" rather than the version that goes in "They felt uncomfortable, so they used a birth gender only bathroom"?

Nope, different bathrooms for birth-gender only folks to accommodate their religion.

As if that makes sense.

 Nevelon wrote:
The problem is that moderates are not newsworthy.

I suspect that for every fundi wack-job, there are dozens, if not hundreds of good, honest Christians. It’s just being decent, honest people trying to help in your small way does not generate headlines.

The same could be said for most groups. Our main exposure is the fringe elements.

Except that, especially on THIS issue, we're seeing otherwise "moderate" people base arguments against the LGBT community because of their religion.

So the solution to not being allowed to segregate others, is to segregate themselves?

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
So the solution to not being allowed to segregate others, is to segregate themselves?

Not through legal means... but yeah.... I mean, if the prospect of seeing an icky (opposite of whatever you have) is too much to bear simply "segregate yourself" and not use the facility that could potentially put you in that situation.


I mean, it seriously is as easy as "I always spend too much money at Costco, so before I go, I make sure I eat a huge meal, so that I'm not hungry when I'm in there"

I really dont care which toilets trans people use but I did have an experience running into one in a toilet once I can share.

I'd been out all day, shopping centre to shopping centre and I needed to go. So as I walked in the male toilets I see at the basins a transwoman applying her lipstick. I freeze on the spot. My first thought was that I'd walked into the womens toilets by accident until I looked to the right wall and seen the urinals. The trans woman glanced over at me still standing at the entrance while I looked around. I had an "Oh!" moment as I realised I was in the male toilets all along then went on my way to a cubicle. I didnt choose a cubicle over the urinal seeking privacy either, I just really really needed a crap that day.

I wasnt threatened or upset by a transperson being in the same toilets during any of it. I got on with my life as it was a nonissue.

Just remember women: be eternally terrified for yourselves and daughters of that male-to-female that's obviously a sexual predator and will "get you" in the supposed safety of your women's bathroom. You know, the one that because they identify as female probably has a somewhat high (obviously some still love women) likelyhood of having no interest in your gender as a sexual object, and is also probably really preoccupied with that poop they need to take.

It's not like there was previously some sort of barrier that stopped bad people from sneaking around and doing bad things, that this 'horrible' tolerance has suddenly destroyed.

Have there been any statistical studies done on the incidence of sexual predatory crimes by transgender people? I can think of several examples of trans people being the victims of various crimes, but I don't recall any stories like that where the trans person was the perpetrator.

I won't say there are none, but there are none that can be found by searching around.
And you'd think something like that would be extensively plastered everywhere.

 Gitzbitah wrote:
Have there been any statistical studies done on the incidence of sexual predatory crimes by transgender people? I can think of several examples of trans people being the victims of various crimes, but I don't recall any stories like that where the trans person was the perpetrator.

This isn't where the complaints are coming from, though. Once again, The actual complaints being made aren't that transgendered people will attack them. They are much more absurd: namely that non-Transgender sexual predators will use this law to justify walking into the Ladies room so that they can assault everybody's wives and daughters... because apparently they need a rule that allows them to do that...

Sexual predators and the absurdly out of touch think of the children only when restroom signs change.

 insaniak wrote:

 Gitzbitah wrote:
Have there been any statistical studies done on the incidence of sexual predatory crimes by transgender people? I can think of several examples of trans people being the victims of various crimes, but I don't recall any stories like that where the trans person was the perpetrator.

This isn't where the complaints are coming from, though. Once again, The actual complaints being made are much more absurd: namely that non-Transgender sexual predators will use this law to justify walking into the Ladies room so that they can assault everybody's wives and daughters... because apparently they need a rule that allows them to do that...

Yeah, that was more of what I was getting at. And apparently it's only us disgusting men that are eagerly awaiting the ability to dress up as women to accost unsupervised little girls or those hot women who are defenseless while peeing, in public restrooms where none of the tons of people in the store outside can come to their screams of help. Because no male sexual predator ever just stayed in the men's room and went after anyone in there, and never did a man skulk into the ladies room for that reason before right now. We have been waiting, and finally lawmakers have given us the opening to enact our dastardly plans.

Sorry to sound like I am against you ladies, but this smacks of the same moral outrage, narcissism, and creeping paranoia that led one of my mother's friends to put a security camera in her freaking GOAT BARN, to check in case someone dangerous was out there that could get her when she went out for chores. Honestly- it was not for any other sensible reason, like animals in trouble like going into labor, or sick, or just predators. Because obviously that's where sexual predators are-satisfying their uncontrollable urges by waiting for unassuming 50-something housewives to enter barns alone out in the middle of the boondocks.

This is about people who face tremendous hardships in their lives- regardless of whether you agree if they are making those choices or not- and throwing those people one. freaking. bone. so that they can feel a bit less stress when they have to poop in public. It is so not about us freaking "norms", no matter how narcissistic we are.

5,000 children a day are assaulted in goat barns.

Edit: Probably spam.

North Carolina School Board Lets Kids Carry Pepper Spray in Case They Encounter Trans Students

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/05/11/north_carolina_school_board_allows_pepper_spray_against_trans_students.html?utm_content=inf_4_2641_2&wpsrc=socialedge&tse_id=INF_5fc0127943eb4f56aec389dd99aaa776

On Monday, the Rowan-Salisbury Board of Education, located in North Carolina, voted to let students bring pepper spray on campus. Why the sudden rush to let students carry what the board calls “defensive sprays”? As board member Chuck Hughes explained while endorsing the proposal:

Depending on how the courts rule on the bathroom issues, it may be a pretty valuable tool to have on the female students if they go to the bathroom, not knowing who may come in.
Hughes was alluding to a recent 4th Circuit Court of Appeals decision holding that a federal ban on sex discrimination in education encompasses gender identity discrimination against trans students. The ruling is being appealed.

The Salisbury Post reports that at least one board member, Travis Allen, was concerned about the policy—not because it was motivated by anti-trans animus, but because pepper spray can be a dangerous weapon. His fears were ultimately assuaged, however, when he concluded that a bottle of Windex or a computer could do the same damage as a defensive spray. “I could do more damage with my laptop than I could with a bottle of pepper spray,” he declared.

At press time, the number of students who have been assaulted by predators who feign a trans identity to gain access to bathrooms is zero.

The feth, North Carolina? Who comes up with this gak?

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:

North Carolina School Board Lets Kids Carry Pepper Spray in Case They Encounter Trans Students

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/05/11/north_carolina_school_board_allows_pepper_spray_against_trans_students.html?utm_content=inf_4_2641_2&wpsrc=socialedge&tse_id=INF_5fc0127943eb4f56aec389dd99aaa776

On Monday, the Rowan-Salisbury Board of Education, located in North Carolina, voted to let students bring pepper spray on campus. Why the sudden rush to let students carry what the board calls “defensive sprays”? As board member Chuck Hughes explained while endorsing the proposal:

Depending on how the courts rule on the bathroom issues, it may be a pretty valuable tool to have on the female students if they go to the bathroom, not knowing who may come in.
Hughes was alluding to a recent 4th Circuit Court of Appeals decision holding that a federal ban on sex discrimination in education encompasses gender identity discrimination against trans students. The ruling is being appealed.

The Salisbury Post reports that at least one board member, Travis Allen, was concerned about the policy—not because it was motivated by anti-trans animus, but because pepper spray can be a dangerous weapon. His fears were ultimately assuaged, however, when he concluded that a bottle of Windex or a computer could do the same damage as a defensive spray. “I could do more damage with my laptop than I could with a bottle of pepper spray,” he declared.

At press time, the number of students who have been assaulted by predators who feign a trans identity to gain access to bathrooms is zero.

The feth, North Carolina? Who comes up with this gak?

I am slowly losing my ability to care about whether or not I have a Trans in the bathroom with me. I am becoming increasingly worried about nut cases trying to defend the bathroom.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:

North Carolina School Board Lets Kids Carry Pepper Spray in Case They Encounter Trans Students

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/05/11/north_carolina_school_board_allows_pepper_spray_against_trans_students.html?utm_content=inf_4_2641_2&wpsrc=socialedge&tse_id=INF_5fc0127943eb4f56aec389dd99aaa776

On Monday, the Rowan-Salisbury Board of Education, located in North Carolina, voted to let students bring pepper spray on campus. Why the sudden rush to let students carry what the board calls “defensive sprays”? As board member Chuck Hughes explained while endorsing the proposal:

Depending on how the courts rule on the bathroom issues, it may be a pretty valuable tool to have on the female students if they go to the bathroom, not knowing who may come in.
Hughes was alluding to a recent 4th Circuit Court of Appeals decision holding that a federal ban on sex discrimination in education encompasses gender identity discrimination against trans students. The ruling is being appealed.

The Salisbury Post reports that at least one board member, Travis Allen, was concerned about the policy—not because it was motivated by anti-trans animus, but because pepper spray can be a dangerous weapon. His fears were ultimately assuaged, however, when he concluded that a bottle of Windex or a computer could do the same damage as a defensive spray. “I could do more damage with my laptop than I could with a bottle of pepper spray,” he declared.

At press time, the number of students who have been assaulted by predators who feign a trans identity to gain access to bathrooms is zero.

The feth, North Carolina? Who comes up with this gak?

I am slowly losing my ability to care about whether or not I have a Trans in the bathroom with me. I am becoming increasingly worried about nut cases trying to defend the bathroom.

Same here. We've all used the bathroom with a transgender person, and we've been fine. We didn't even know we had a transgender person in the bathroom with us.

Fear the fearful! Bring pepper spray for protection against 'accidental' triggerings.

This is really going to come back to bite them in the butt when they get referrals for kids pepper spraying each other, and the kids can point to an article where the administer says its less harmful than windex.

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:

North Carolina School Board Lets Kids Carry Pepper Spray in Case They Encounter Trans Students

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/05/11/north_carolina_school_board_allows_pepper_spray_against_trans_students.html?utm_content=inf_4_2641_2&wpsrc=socialedge&tse_id=INF_5fc0127943eb4f56aec389dd99aaa776

On Monday, the Rowan-Salisbury Board of Education, located in North Carolina, voted to let students bring pepper spray on campus. Why the sudden rush to let students carry what the board calls “defensive sprays”? As board member Chuck Hughes explained while endorsing the proposal:

Depending on how the courts rule on the bathroom issues, it may be a pretty valuable tool to have on the female students if they go to the bathroom, not knowing who may come in.
Hughes was alluding to a recent 4th Circuit Court of Appeals decision holding that a federal ban on sex discrimination in education encompasses gender identity discrimination against trans students. The ruling is being appealed.

The Salisbury Post reports that at least one board member, Travis Allen, was concerned about the policy—not because it was motivated by anti-trans animus, but because pepper spray can be a dangerous weapon. His fears were ultimately assuaged, however, when he concluded that a bottle of Windex or a computer could do the same damage as a defensive spray. “I could do more damage with my laptop than I could with a bottle of pepper spray,” he declared.

At press time, the number of students who have been assaulted by predators who feign a trans identity to gain access to bathrooms is zero.

The feth, North Carolina? Who comes up with this gak?

I am slowly losing my ability to care about whether or not I have a Trans in the bathroom with me. I am becoming increasingly worried about nut cases trying to defend the bathroom.

Same here. We've all used the bathroom with a transgender person, and we've been fine. We didn't even know we had a transgender person in the bathroom with us.

Yes, but thanks to a few batgak crazy people on both sides of the problem, I have to storm a bloody Dwarvin Karak just to take a pee and just feth it for anybody who might look like the opposite gender. I bet it'd be easier for them to make themselves a bathroom.

I wish that the current news culture would freaking tone it down with giving everyone a constant sense of hysteria. Now, rape should be treated like attempted murder, in my mind, but it is complete bullgak that I, as a 34yo male with the approximate violent tendencies of a pre-spider bite Peter Parker, have to increasingly wonder if I am around a stranger that's female-especially if we are moderately alone-, is assessing me as:

Scanning....."Subject: Human Male. Caution: Presence of penis suggests probable predilection for rape. Take immediate precautionary measures."

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
The feth, North Carolina? Who comes up with this gak?

People whose ability to be elected depends on convincing voters that they hate everyone the voters hate and who believe that violent self defense is a magic solution to (almost) every possible problem. This proposal accomplishes both goals: the image of people being pepper sprayed for being in the "wrong" bathroom appeals to the bloodthirsty mob, while simultaneously reassuring the pro-gun voters that they agree with the idea of using violence in self defense. It's an obviously stupid idea that can't survive even the most casual attempt at spotting flaws, but there are a lot of really stupid and hateful voters in NC.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I wish that the current news culture would freaking tone it down with giving everyone a constant sense of hysteria. Now, rape should be treated like attempted murder, in my mind, but it is complete bullgak that I, as a 34yo male with the approximate violent tendencies of a pre-spider bite Peter Parker, have to increasingly wonder if I am around a stranger that's female-especially if we are moderately alone-, is assessing me as:

Scanning....."Subject: Human Male. Caution: Presence of penis suggests probable predilection for rape. Take immediate precautionary measures."

I have started doing stuff like asking if it's okay to sit in vacant seats next to people on busy trains, because a lot of women freeze up upon seeing Strange Man trying to sit with them. Showing that I'm aware I'm getting close, but still need to sit down often breaks the ice.
It's sad that I even need to. These days I usually just sit in the luggage rack if it's empty.

Anybody who thinks this should be common for trans-gender people really should re-think their life. Hell, it's a free fecking world, everybody should be able to do as they please and not get hassled for it (within reason, I don't mean prance around in public in the nude). This seems to be the only problem in our society, the Media's portrayal of 'normal' and 'correct'. Hell, this isn't even a damned argument. It's just the majority hating on a minority (I'm sorry I'm calling it this) because they can.

This is the ultimate storm in a tea cup..