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nkelsch wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
last count was .3%
Now whether that includes people who are questioning, or have not transistioned or start to is up toguess.
but yeah, it is pretty low.

That is close to 1 million people. And that is just the people who are willing to confront the stigma and pain opposed to just live a lie and suck it up for society expediency.

Not that easy to discount.

No, 0.3% of the population is incredibly easy to discount because it's a tiny fraction of the population.

That's the primary reason why this whole which bathroom transgendered people should use issue is a waste of time. Letting them use whichever bathroom they want is fine, it harms no one and chances are the vast majority of people will never be in a public bathroom with a trans person anyway and likely wouldn't even notice it if they were.

We never had trans bathroom usage laws before and I've yet to see any empirical evidence presented that shows we needed any now. Let the public use whichever public restrooms they want, everything bad you can do to another person in a restroom is already criminalized.

Every citizen is equal in the eyes of the law, letting the public, trans people included, use the bathrooms of their choice is a practical and reasonable way to do it. All these bathroom laws are overreactions to a nonexistent problem.

Its just thats sort of calm, measured, logic that has no place in American politics young man!

An interesting read from 2015, though I can't claim it's unbiased.

Neuroscience Proves What We’ve Known All Along: Gender Exists on a Spectrum
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/neuroscience-proves-what-_b_6494820.html

Earlier this month, the Medical University of Vienna issued a press release announcing that “the very personal gender identity of every human being is reflected and verifiable in the cross-links between brain regions,” with distinctions specifically in what’s known as brain “white matter.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/maniac-attacks-dad-with-daughter-in-men-s-room-at-walmart.html

And it keep on going.

 d-usa wrote:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/maniac-attacks-dad-with-daughter-in-men-s-room-at-walmart.html

And it keep on going.

God bless America. Land of the Free, Home of the Bathroom problems.

 d-usa wrote:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/maniac-attacks-dad-with-daughter-in-men-s-room-at-walmart.html

And it keep on going.

The guy was definitly whacked. Parents bring their young children into bathrooms all the time.

I have been to places which have signs which says 'children under 8 cannot be unaccompanied in the bathroom'. This means girls in the men's room and boys in the women's room.

I know that bigots were happy the transgender hate back-splashed on gays, but now it is back-splashing on children? Are people really attacking because they think they need to beat up a father to 'learn' him about letting his daughter possibly be transgender?

I take my nieces into the Men's room all the time as I have literally no other choice. I have also been places where the 'family' bathrooms were women only. (I was aggressively thrown out of a baby-care center once while holding a baby because they deemed it a women-only safe space, I changed the baby on the floor in the entrance of the place as the Men's room had no changing table.)

This is why vigilante bathroom inspectors is insane. If you have a personal problem with what is going on, *YOU* leave. Then you are safe.

nkelsch wrote:
I have been to places which have signs which says 'children under 8 cannot be unaccompanied in the bathroom'. This means girls in the men's room and boys in the women's room.

I know that bigots were happy the transgender hate back-splashed on gays, but now it is back-splashing on children? Are people really attacking because they think they need to beat up a father to 'learn' him about letting his daughter possibly be transgender?

I take my nieces into the Men's room all the time as I have literally no other choice. I have also been places where the 'family' bathrooms were women only. (I was aggressively thrown out of a baby-care center once while holding a baby because they deemed it a women-only safe space, I changed the baby on the floor in the entrance of the place as the Men's room had no changing table.)

This is why vigilante bathroom inspectors is insane. If you have a personal problem with what is going on, *YOU* leave. Then you are safe.

I agree with you on this. Ever since I was a kid, people have taken extremely young children into opposite sex bathrooms. What's the alternative? Leave a child outside and alone? I'm happy the father was a bruiser who could take care of himself and his kids.

I like that the guy is yelling at the construction dad (sounds coockoo but its Walmart) about the kid in there, but he's cussing in front of the kid.

 Frazzled wrote:
I like that the guy is yelling at the construction dad (sounds coockoo but its Walmart) about the kid in there, but he's cussing in front of the kid.

Well that's Utah for ya, even weirder than Texas.

Relapse wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
I have been to places which have signs which says 'children under 8 cannot be unaccompanied in the bathroom'. This means girls in the men's room and boys in the women's room.

I know that bigots were happy the transgender hate back-splashed on gays, but now it is back-splashing on children? Are people really attacking because they think they need to beat up a father to 'learn' him about letting his daughter possibly be transgender?

I take my nieces into the Men's room all the time as I have literally no other choice. I have also been places where the 'family' bathrooms were women only. (I was aggressively thrown out of a baby-care center once while holding a baby because they deemed it a women-only safe space, I changed the baby on the floor in the entrance of the place as the Men's room had no changing table.)

This is why vigilante bathroom inspectors is insane. If you have a personal problem with what is going on, *YOU* leave. Then you are safe.

I agree with you on this. Ever since I was a kid, people have taken extremely young children into opposite sex bathrooms. What's the alternative? Leave a child outside and alone? I'm happy the father was a bruiser who could take care of himself and his kids.

It also backfires on the child. When I was a kid I swam twice a week, but I went with a parent who wasn't my gender. Because it was a small town and quite conservative, I had to change alone or with a friend's parent who attended.
I remember the distinct loneliness that all of my friends were getting changed with their parent, and I was alone from this laughing and joking, and people talking about home and how excited they were to get their awards. I don't mean that I wanted my folks to get hands on, I was just acutely aware of another time children were bonding with folks, and I wasn't. At the time I just put it down to me being undeserving of my parents attention, because I didn't understand the reason.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I like that the guy is yelling at the construction dad (sounds coockoo but its Walmart) about the kid in there, but he's cussing in front of the kid.

Well that's Utah for ya, even weirder than Texas.

Hey there now!

My wife does this all the time. She has also changed my son in the women's bathroom since, y'know, ever- because lots of the time I can't even find a men's bathroom with a changing table. It's just a thing you freaking do.

Just goes to show you it's not the supposed creeper men in dresses (or indeed legitimate trans women) that just, honorable women need to worry about raping them in the women's room. It's us guys (and trans men) needing to worry about the moronic rage-freaks attacking US in OUR restrooms.

It's tangential, but so is much discussion in this thread. Here's an example of the kind of thing trans people fear happening, and why trans women in particular are often frightened of going into isolated spaces with men.
This happened in a public area. Now you imagine how much this kind of violence may have escalated in somewhere closed off.

MARTA investigates brawl that left transgendered woman nude

[...]The women told Young they were walking to the Five Points MARTA station when a group of men approached them and started yelling at them. They said the strangers followed them into the station and waited on the platform next to them while taking pictures. They said they believe the strangers targeted them because they are transgender.

“[They] just kept of asking us was we real,” said Janell Crosby. “Like really trying to get us. ‘Are you real?’ 'Are y’all this or that?’ Just trying to embarrass us.”

"They were trying to find out if we are men or women,” said Tyra Woods. “I shouldn’t have to disclose who I am to an innocent person who I’m not even interested in talking to.”

Crosby and Woods say they were harassed, attacked and embarrassed, and no one came to give them any help.

Thats why you bring your friends Bobby Smith and Jane Wesson.

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats why you bring your friends Bobby Smith and Jane Wesson.

But, could we just teach our kids to respect other individuals and their rights to privacy in order to stop this sort of behavior before it can start?

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats why you bring your friends Bobby Smith and Jane Wesson.

But, could we just teach our kids to respect other individuals and their rights to privacy in order to stop this sort of behavior before it can start?

That would be far too sensible, what kind of psychotic madperson are you?

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats why you bring your friends Bobby Smith and Jane Wesson.

But, could we just teach our kids to respect other individuals and their rights to privacy in order to stop this sort of behavior before it can start?

That would be far too sensible, what kind of psychotic madperson are you?

I'm a..... I can barely say it..... I am a liberal!

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats why you bring your friends Bobby Smith and Jane Wesson.

But, could we just teach our kids to respect other individuals and their rights to privacy in order to stop this sort of behavior before it can start?

Yes indeed. I mean no one has thought of that idea like ever. How has that worked out so far?

"Ape shall not kill Ape."

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats why you bring your friends Bobby Smith and Jane Wesson.

Why would having clean teeth be helpful in such a situation?


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Disregard, I just realised that isn't in fact a toothpaste company.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats why you bring your friends Bobby Smith and Jane Wesson.

But, could we just teach our kids to respect other individuals and their rights to privacy in order to stop this sort of behavior before it can start?

Yes indeed. I mean no one has thought of that idea like ever. How has that worked out so far?

"Ape shall not kill Ape."

The problem is, not everybody is interested in that kind of liberal commie pinko socialism crap.

Did I do that right?

 Dreadwinter wrote:

The problem is, not everybody is interested in that kind of liberal commie pinko socialism crap.

Did I do that right?

The problem is human nature. People are curious, they like lifting veils; double points where adolescence is involved.

If you make something more taboo, it only becomes more intriguing.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats why you bring your friends Bobby Smith and Jane Wesson.

But, could we just teach our kids to respect other individuals and their rights to privacy in order to stop this sort of behavior before it can start?

Yes indeed. I mean no one has thought of that idea like ever. How has that worked out so far?

"Ape shall not kill Ape."

The problem is, not everybody is interested in that kind of liberal commie pinko socialism crap.

Did I do that right?

heads up this just in:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/02/georgia-aclu-leader-resigns-amid-controversy-over-transgender-bathroom-directive-but-theres-a-twist/

Asterios wrote:
heads up this just in:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/02/georgia-aclu-leader-resigns-amid-controversy-over-transgender-bathroom-directive-but-theres-a-twist/

wikipedia wrote:TheBlaze is a multiplatform news and entertainment network available on television, radio and the Internet founded by conservative talk radio personality and entrepreneur Glenn Beck.

My work here is done.

This. Directly quoted from the article.


"How can we ask these kinds of questions without being called a homophobe?” the video asks. “How do we prevent predators from preying on kids in bathrooms?”

As a point of fact, not all Trandgender individuals are homosexual.

Mdlbuildr wrote:
This. Directly quoted from the article.


"How can we ask these kinds of questions without being called a homophobe?” the video asks. “How do we prevent predators from preying on kids in bathrooms?”

As a point of fact, not all Trandgender individuals are homosexual.

Clearly, the answer is plastic signs saying who can't be in a bathroom. Everyone knows child predators are terrified of signs. They make them melt, much like water to those aliens in that movie. What was it called?

Or, you know, attacking children and anyone else in a restroom is already illegal and having more people going in and out of a restroom is probably going to make it harder for predators to do anything and I don't recall hearing anything about unisex public restrooms being huge child-abduction magnets.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

Asterios wrote:
heads up this just in:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/02/georgia-aclu-leader-resigns-amid-controversy-over-transgender-bathroom-directive-but-theres-a-twist/

wikipedia wrote:TheBlaze is a multiplatform news and entertainment network available on television, radio and the Internet founded by conservative talk radio personality and entrepreneur Glenn Beck.

My work here is done.

You do realize that this has been reported in every news outlet everywhere in the world right?


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 Spinner wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:
This. Directly quoted from the article.


"How can we ask these kinds of questions without being called a homophobe?” the video asks. “How do we prevent predators from preying on kids in bathrooms?”

As a point of fact, not all Trandgender individuals are homosexual.

Clearly, the answer is plastic signs saying who can't be in a bathroom. Everyone knows child predators are terrified of signs. They make them melt, much like water to those aliens in that movie. What was it called?

Or, you know, attacking children and anyone else in a restroom is already illegal and having more people going in and out of a restroom is probably going to make it harder for predators to do anything and I don't recall hearing anything about unisex public restrooms being huge child-abduction magnets.

I am continually amazed at this OT forum. Instead of answering the question, the same rhetoric is spewed over and over again.

This is a legitimate question asked by the population at large. Minimizing it like you just did with dripping sarcasm only makes the problem worse.

Do you want to propose an actual solution or continue to argue the same point that isn't getting anyone anywhere?

The sad thing is that there are no laws of any kind protecting children from sexual predators in bathrooms that the predator is allowed to be in. If a man rapes a girl in a women's bathroom he can be stopped and charged because he's not allowed to be in there. But if a man is raping a boy in the men's bathroom then there is nothing the police can do about it because both have a penis and are in the correct bathroom.

It's very sad.

Mdlbuildr wrote:
This. Directly quoted from the article.


"How can we ask these kinds of questions without being called a homophobe?” the video asks. “How do we prevent predators from preying on kids in bathrooms?”

As a point of fact, not all Trandgender individuals are homosexual.

"How can I discriminate against these people without all my friends hating me?"