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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 19:49:10
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Prestor Jon wrote:
It does make one wonder just where the line is with privacy regarding personal opinions for people who have jobs on tv. ESPN has sports analysts,
Privacy isn't really the issue when you're putting those personal opinions out into the world on a public platform.
If he had made these comments in a private venue to friends, there would likely have been no issue. Twitter and Facebook are not private venues.
If I made offensive comments on Facebook, and I was a publicly-known figure associated with my employer, than I would be completely unsurprised when my employer took exception to that action, because whether or not those comments were made in an 'official' capacity, if I'm associated with the company, my actions reflect on the company whether or not I'm 'at work' at the time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 19:49:19
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Mdlbuildr wrote:
Please dispense of the stabs at me personally. Rule #1. Thanks.
I wasn't aware that questioning the 'credentials' of someone in the 'medical field' who posts comments which are directly at odds with medical sicence is a personal attack...
Same with someone making poorly supported emotional arguments using his children as a shield being called out for hypocrisy and inconsistent positions.
Apparently disagreeing with you or presenting facts which invalidate your position is a personal attack on you?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 19:50:29
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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insaniak wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
It does make one wonder just where the line is with privacy regarding personal opinions for people who have jobs on tv. ESPN has sports analysts,
Privacy isn't really the issue when you're putting those personal opinions out into the world on a public platform.
If he had made these comments in a private venue to friends, there would likely have been no issue. Twitter and Facebook are not private venues.
If I made offensive comments on Facebook, and I was a publicly-known figure associated with my employer, than I would be completely unsurprised when my employer took exception to that action, because whether or not those comments were made in an 'official' capacity, if I'm associated with the company, my actions reflect on the company whether or not I'm 'at work' at the time.
Thank you. This is the heart of the matter. ESPN doesn't care about his actual views, they care that he's associated with them and it makes them look bad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 19:51:19
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Thank you for confirming what I wrote.
The members are equally responsible to keep the peace. Sometimes a simple reminder is better than an outright yellow triangle, no?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 19:52:49
Subject: Re:Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Mdlbuildr wrote:
At a certain age they told us they would rather go to the bathroom corresponding with their anatomy and on their own. This had nothing to do with my "teaching" them this.
Yes, it did.
You may or may not have overtly told them 'You're a boy, so you go to the Men's room!'... but they still learn that behaviour from you, and from others around them. We've decided as a society that men and women should have private bathrooms because, I don't know, reasons... and kids pick up that learned behaviour and it becomes the norm.
The problem is that we're now slowly coming to understand that it's not actually as simple as 'has a penis, is a man/has a vagina, is a woman' and so bathroom assignment based solely on what you have in your drawers is no longer an adequate construct.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 19:52:49
Subject: Re:Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Mdlbuildr wrote: insaniak wrote: Because that's what they've been taught by their parents. The real reason that they go to the Men's bathroom is that their parents insist that they go to the Men's bathroom. I've taken my daughter into a Men's room when we've been out without her mum and there's been no Parent's room available... And oddly enough, the world hasn't ended. She doesn't care which bathroom she goes into, so long as she gets to go with one of us. The 'need' to use the 'right' bathroom is a trained behaviour, not an immutable law of the universe. My kids learned to go to the bathroom at home where the bathrooms are gender neutral. When my children were very young, I also took my daughters to the Men's bathroom and my wife has taken our son to the Women's bathroom. At a certain age they told us they would rather go to the bathroom corresponding with their anatomy and on their own. This had nothing to do with my "teaching" them this. It was their request. Eventually your daughter will care. Wait until she's about 6-8 years old. So your daughter uses the ladies bathroom because that is where she feels more comfortable. Also, unless you specifically asked her why she wanted to use the ladies and she said that it's because she has a vagina then you cannot say with certainty that she chose that bathroom because of her anatomy and not because of her gender, which are different things. So why can't transgender people use the bathroom which they feel most comfortable in? They have just as much a right to be comfortable as your daughter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 19:55:31
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Mdlbuildr wrote:. A Transgender Female is free to use the men's bathroom or the gender neutral bathroom, but no. They HAVE to use the female bathroom. That's just too fishy for me
If they identify as a female, how is it any more 'fishy' than you insisting that you 'have' to use the men's room just because you identify yourself as a male?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 19:56:16
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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nkelsch wrote:
I wasn't aware that questioning the 'credentials' of someone in the 'medical field' who posts comments which are directly at odds with medical sicence is a personal attack...
Same with someone making poorly supported emotional arguments using his children as a shield being called out for hypocrisy and inconsistent positions.
Apparently disagreeing with you or presenting facts which invalidate your position is a personal attack on you?
Question away! Just do it politely without sarcasm and I'd be glad to answer your questions. If you are being a smart-ass about it, then Rule #1 applies.
What medical science am I at odds with?
Please show me where I have been inconsistent in my stance on this topic. What facts have been presented to invalidate my position?
Again, disagree away, but when you do it with snide comments and a heavily sarcastic undertone, well then Rule #1.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 19:58:08
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Mdlbuildr wrote:nkelsch wrote:
I wasn't aware that questioning the 'credentials' of someone in the 'medical field' who posts comments which are directly at odds with medical sicence is a personal attack...
Same with someone making poorly supported emotional arguments using his children as a shield being called out for hypocrisy and inconsistent positions.
Apparently disagreeing with you or presenting facts which invalidate your position is a personal attack on you?
Question away! Just do it politely without sarcasm and I'd be glad to answer your questions. If you are being a smart-ass about it, then Rule #1 applies.
What medical science am I at odds with?
Please show me where I have been inconsistent in my stance on this topic. What facts have been presented to invalidate my position?
Again, disagree away, but when you do it with snide comments and a heavily sarcastic undertone, well then Rule #1.
Okay, what is your medical qualification?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 19:58:29
Subject: Re:Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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A Town Called Malus wrote:
So your daughter uses the ladies bathroom because that is where she feels more comfortable. Also, unless you specifically asked her why she wanted to use the ladies and she said that it's because she has a vagina...
Young kids say exactly what's on their mind. My daughters at a certain age said EXACTLY that.
"I want to use the Girls Room because I have a Vagina and that's where we go to the bathroom!"
Kids say the darndest things!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:00:04
Subject: Re:Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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What kind? That is basically meaningless. GP? Surgeon? Consultant? What? Do you have any experience or specialist training in transgender medical requirements?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:01:10
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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So why have gender specific bathrooms at all?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:02:07
Subject: Re:Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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I'm a Doctor. That's all your going to get.
Discount my opinion all you want based on that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:02:31
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Mdlbuildr wrote:nkelsch wrote:
I wasn't aware that questioning the 'credentials' of someone in the 'medical field' who posts comments which are directly at odds with medical sicence is a personal attack...
Same with someone making poorly supported emotional arguments using his children as a shield being called out for hypocrisy and inconsistent positions.
Apparently disagreeing with you or presenting facts which invalidate your position is a personal attack on you?
Question away! Just do it politely without sarcasm and I'd be glad to answer your questions. If you are being a smart-ass about it, then Rule #1 applies.
What medical science am I at odds with?
Please show me where I have been inconsistent in my stance on this topic. What facts have been presented to invalidate my position?
Again, disagree away, but when you do it with snide comments and a heavily sarcastic undertone, well then Rule #1.
You want CAIS and PIAS to use 'junk check' bathrooms because you and your 'medical field' knowledge seem to know that physical genitals are always binary and genitals matching genetics, when that is false.
You support 'junk check' out of fear of 'men' raping your children and want them out of the bathroom but are perfectly fine with 'men' in the women's bathroom if they don't have a fully or partially formed penis. So clearly, it isn't about making your daughter feel 'comfortable' in the bathroom because she will still see a fully recognized 'man' in her bathroom, it is about a fear of penis rape based upon a boogeyman which isn't supported by evidence. And due to that fear you want to oppress the civil rights of hundreds of thousands of people.
Or you basically want everyone in the men's room. Even Men with Vaginas and women with penises either by medical syndrome or self-identification. Let's expose transgender and people with medical syndromes to greater risk by forcing them into the men's bathroom since men are statistically higher chance or sexual assault?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:03:02
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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I don't know. As I've said. I would okay with ALL gender neutral bathrooms personally.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:03:53
Subject: Re:Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Mdlbuildr wrote:I'm a Doctor. That's all your going to get. Discount my opinion all you want based on that. So you may not actually have any experience or knowledge of the issues which you are trying to claim to have more knowledge on due to your profession, got it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:03:55
Subject: Re:Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Mdlbuildr wrote:
Young kids say exactly what's on their mind. My daughters at a certain age said EXACTLY that.
"I want to use the Girls Room because I have a Vagina and that's where we go to the bathroom!"
Kids say the darndest things!!
I met kids who say 'I don't play with those kids because n-words are dangerous.'
Kids do say exactly what are in their minds... and it is usually what is put there by their parents.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:05:48
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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nkelsch wrote:
You want CAIS and PIAS to use 'junk check' bathrooms because you and your 'medical field' knowledge seem to know that physical genitals are always binary and genitals matching genetics, when that is false.
You support 'junk check' out of fear of 'men' raping your children and want them out of the bathroom but are perfectly fine with 'men' in the women's bathroom if they don't have a fully or partially formed penis. So clearly, it isn't about making your daughter feel 'comfortable' in the bathroom because she will still see a fully recognized 'man' in her bathroom, it is about a fear of penis rape based upon a boogeyman which isn't supported by evidence. And due to that fear you want to oppress the civil rights of hundreds of thousands of people.
Or you basically want everyone in the men's room. Even Men with Vaginas and women with penises either by medical syndrome or self-identification. Let's expose transgender and people with medical syndromes to greater risk by forcing them into the men's bathroom since men are statistically higher chance or sexual assault?
I also said that there are exceptions to every rule, but I'm not okay with making the exception the rule.
"Oppress the civil rights of hundreds of thousands of people"? Do you hear yourself?
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A Town Called Malus wrote:Mdlbuildr wrote:I'm a Doctor. That's all your going to get.
Discount my opinion all you want based on that.
So you may not actually have any experience or knowledge of the issues which you are trying to claim to have more knowledge on due to your profession, got it.
You found me out!!!! LMAO
You know one of the things I learned in Med School? To be a critical thinker and always read and evaluate what I read critically. Try it.
What's incredibly funny to me is that NO ONE on this site has any medical expertise at all (or do they), but they all seem to be experts on Sexual Reassignment surgery and the psychology of Transgenders, etc, so before pointing out your perception of my lack of knowledge, perhaps look at the expertise and knowledge (or lack there of) of the people posting in this thread about all this fancy medical stuff.
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I met kids who say 'I don't play with those kids because n-words are dangerous.'
I feel like I'm banging my head against the wall.
Every time I answer a question with something rational, someone comes up with some ridiculous Straw Man argument that has nothing to do with what we're discussing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:08:29
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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jreilly89 wrote: insaniak wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
It does make one wonder just where the line is with privacy regarding personal opinions for people who have jobs on tv. ESPN has sports analysts,
Privacy isn't really the issue when you're putting those personal opinions out into the world on a public platform.
If he had made these comments in a private venue to friends, there would likely have been no issue. Twitter and Facebook are not private venues.
If I made offensive comments on Facebook, and I was a publicly-known figure associated with my employer, than I would be completely unsurprised when my employer took exception to that action, because whether or not those comments were made in an 'official' capacity, if I'm associated with the company, my actions reflect on the company whether or not I'm 'at work' at the time.
Thank you. This is the heart of the matter. ESPN doesn't care about his actual views, they care that he's associated with them and it makes them look bad.
Very true. The grandma rule applies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:09:00
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Mdlbuildr wrote:
I don't know. As I've said. I would okay with ALL gender neutral bathrooms personally.
I mean get rid of urinals and just put stalls in every bathroom. Whats the problem with that?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:10:19
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insaniak wrote:Mdlbuildr wrote:. A Transgender Female is free to use the men's bathroom or the gender neutral bathroom, but no. They HAVE to use the female bathroom. That's just too fishy for me
If they identify as a female, how is it any more 'fishy' than you insisting that you 'have' to use the men's room just because you identify yourself as a male?
One issue that does arise is religion. At least one very large religion has the mixing a unrelated males and females to be strictly verbotten.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:12:07
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SickSix wrote:
I mean get rid of urinals and just put stalls in every bathroom. Whats the problem with that?
Nothing to me. It would cost more and many building codes would have to be altered, but I'm good with it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:12:51
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Mdlbuildr wrote:
Every time I answer a question, someone comes up with some ridiculous Straw Man argument that has nothing to do with what we're discussing.
So your kids say something which is based upon an out-dated, miss-informed social construct put there by you, their parent and somehow it makes it 'valid'...
But I point out examples where other kids say something which is based upon an out-dated, miss-informed social construct put there by their parents and that is clearly absurd?
And laws which don't provide for the rights of 'exceptions' violate due process and is why they get overturned. And laws which serve no legitimate purpose because they don't actually accomplish anything or make anyone safer serve no purpose.
And I suspect you lack going what civil rights are since it applies to all protected classes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:14:47
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Saying "gender is a social norm" doesn't mean "gender is meaningless."
I'm not wild about my female coworkers walking in when I'm on a bombing run, myself. But anybody that calls himself a guy can listen to me rip ass all they want.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:19:48
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Mdlbuildr wrote:
Thank you for confirming what I wrote.
The members are equally responsible to keep the peace. Sometimes a simple reminder is better than an outright yellow triangle, no?
Confirming what you wrote? I gave you some rough statistics it took me 5 seconds to steal off the internet. I also confirmed your son (if you have one) is still a good percentage likely to be assaulted as your daughters. 25% is not insignificant.
Also, I find it funny you've not addressed people being sexually assaulted by their own gender. What if a trans man now has to use the Men's restroom and assaults a boy in there?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:30:36
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jreilly89 wrote: insaniak wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
It does make one wonder just where the line is with privacy regarding personal opinions for people who have jobs on tv. ESPN has sports analysts,
Privacy isn't really the issue when you're putting those personal opinions out into the world on a public platform.
If he had made these comments in a private venue to friends, there would likely have been no issue. Twitter and Facebook are not private venues.
If I made offensive comments on Facebook, and I was a publicly-known figure associated with my employer, than I would be completely unsurprised when my employer took exception to that action, because whether or not those comments were made in an 'official' capacity, if I'm associated with the company, my actions reflect on the company whether or not I'm 'at work' at the time.
Thank you. This is the heart of the matter. ESPN doesn't care about his actual views, they care that he's associated with them and it makes them look bad.
How does it make ESPN look bad? For employing somebody whose political or cultural opinion on a topic is controversial even though that opinion is completely unrelated to their job with ESPN and their ability to do that job for ESPN?
What you two are arguing is that once you're employed you're essentially "on company time" 100% of the time on social media. Even personal accounts used on personal time for personal opinions and business that has nothing to do with your employer can get you fired. It doesn't matter if you're good at your job, a good employee or well qualified it only matters if enough people see something you wrote or said somewhere else on your own time in your own space that they are willing to be outraged over and create enough backlash to get you fired. So if you have a job you shouldn't post anything on social media about any current events or political or social topics because if your opinion upsets a few people their outrage can push your employer to terminate you. Neither you nor your employer have control over the term of your employment, that power rests in the hands of the mob.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:42:48
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Prestor Jon wrote:
What you two are arguing is that once you're employed you're essentially "on company time" 100% of the time on social media..
When you're a public figure, yes, that's pretty much how it works.
It's a matter of association. If I start making offensive comments on twitter, my employer isn't going to care... because nobody outside my circle of friends and family is going to ever actually bother to read it.
If, however, I was employed as, say, a media spokesman for the company and was constantly in the public view making statements for the company, then anything I say on my own time in a public venue is also going to be associated with the company. Because my face is associated with the company.
Again, this isn't a privacy issue. The post that started this mess would have been a non-event if it had been posted by Curt from Accounts Payable. But he's a public figure, and so his public posts on social media reach a much wider audience and because of his position reflect on the company.
That's just how it works when you're in that sort of position.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:43:01
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Dakka Veteran
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jreilly89 wrote:
Confirming what you wrote? I gave you some rough statistics it took me 5 seconds to steal off the internet. I also confirmed your son (if you have one) is still a good percentage likely to be assaulted as your daughters. 25% is not insignificant.
Also, I find it funny you've not addressed people being sexually assaulted by their own gender. What if a trans man now has to use the Men's restroom and assaults a boy in there?
Errrr last I checked 75% is a majority, which is what I wrote. A MAJORITY of sexual predators are male. You have confirmed this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 20:57:29
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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insaniak wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
What you two are arguing is that once you're employed you're essentially "on company time" 100% of the time on social media..
When you're a public figure, yes, that's pretty much how it works.
It's a matter of association. If I start making offensive comments on twitter, my employer isn't going to care... because nobody outside my circle of friends and family is going to ever actually bother to read it.
If, however, I was employed as, say, a media spokesman for the company and was constantly in the public view making statements for the company, then anything I say on my own time in a public venue is also going to be associated with the company. Because my face is associated with the company.
Again, this isn't a privacy issue. The post that started this mess would have been a non-event if it had been posted by Curt from Accounts Payable. But he's a public figure, and so his public posts on social media reach a much wider audience and because of his position reflect on the company.
That's just how it works when you're in that sort of position.
I'd also Imagine that Schilling wasn't hired as a normal at-will employee and given an employee handbook. He no doubt was hired as on air "talent," which is strictly contract work. And virtually all of those contracts include morality clauses, which regulate the behavior a public figure can engage in, even in off time. It's one of the downsides to celebrity, but it's generally seen as a reasonable trade.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/22 21:05:28
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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insaniak wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
What you two are arguing is that once you're employed you're essentially "on company time" 100% of the time on social media..
When you're a public figure, yes, that's pretty much how it works.
It's a matter of association. If I start making offensive comments on twitter, my employer isn't going to care... because nobody outside my circle of friends and family is going to ever actually bother to read it.
If, however, I was employed as, say, a media spokesman for the company and was constantly in the public view making statements for the company, then anything I say on my own time in a public venue is also going to be associated with the company. Because my face is associated with the company.
Again, this isn't a privacy issue. The post that started this mess would have been a non-event if it had been posted by Curt from Accounts Payable. But he's a public figure, and so his public posts on social media reach a much wider audience and because of his position reflect on the company.
That's just how it works when you're in that sort of position.
Curt Schilling wasn't a media spokesperson for ESPN. He was a baseball analyst. He appears on baseball shows and discussed baseball. Sometimes he'd be on SportsCenter and talk about baseball. He was never employed by ESPN to do anything other than talk about baseball. His ability to talk about baseball in an informative and/or entertaining manner has nothing to do with his personal opinions regarding Muslim fundamentalism and transgender bathroom selection/usage posted on his personal social media platforms on his own time. Schilling didn't say these things on air on ESPN, he didn't post them on ESPN's website, he didn't post on ESPN's social media platforms.
You're using the term "public figure" in a rather nebulous way. Curt Schilling may be considered a public figure in regards to libel, slander or defamation but neither he nor ESPN are contesting that either party defamed the other. There is no magic number of twitter followers that lets your employer fire you if you send out a personal tweet they don't approve of.
Why should an employer be responsible for every personal opinion held by their employees? That doesn't make any sense. Personal opinions are personal they are assigned to the individual who holds those beliefs. Just because you're popular or famous doesn't mean that your employer has to approve of every personal opinion you express on social media.
If I tweet out a link to a Donald Trump campaign speech on immigration, praising it and including a #BuildThatWall hashtag should that be a fireable offense because some people find Trump's immigration stance to be offensive and controversial? Where is the line drawn between people who can express a controversial opinion on their own time on their own social media platform without fear of losing their job and the people who can't? If you're on one end of the spectrum and Schilling is on the other where's the middle? When is it ok for a company to fire somebody over a facebook post or a tweet? Seems like there's a really subjective and vague distinction for something as important as a person's livelihood.
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