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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/29 17:52:15
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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He's got 3 World Series rings, 3000 strikeouts (15th all time), the best post-season winning percentage in history, 6 time all star, and did not get selected in 4 Hall of Fame ballots since becoming eligible.
Maybe no one else likes him, either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/29 22:26:31
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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kronk wrote:yeah. Probably Fox Sports. He's probably in negotiation now.
As long as he stays off MLB Network, I'm good. I hated is game coverage. Not even being paired with Kruk could make him watchable.
MLB has a better pitcher already... they definitely don't need him
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/29 22:58:37
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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kronk wrote:He's got 3 World Series rings, 3000 strikeouts (15th all time), the best post-season winning percentage in history, 6 time all star, and did not get selected in 4 Hall of Fame ballots since becoming eligible.
Maybe no one else likes him, either.
He's trending in the right direction - or he was before this incident.
I still say he'll get in, and I think he deserves to be.
His post-season record is ridiculously awesome!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/29 23:20:29
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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The sad part about all this is that this is the same guy who helped bring Kingdoms of Amalur into existence, and helped save Advanced Squad Leader from the dumpster when Hasbro gobbled up Avalon Hill. Sad to see gamers go bad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/30 01:42:14
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Tannhauser42 wrote:The sad part about all this is that this is the same guy who helped bring Kingdoms of Amalur into existence, and helped save Advanced Squad Leader from the dumpster when Hasbro gobbled up Avalon Hill. Sad to see gamers go bad.
To be fair, his game producing career has a pretty different standing here in RI....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/30 14:51:28
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Ensis Ferrae wrote:Perhaps I should lay out a bit of a personal anecdote...
Growing up in the household I did, when I joined the army, I was severely anti-gay. I was taught that it was an abomination, etc. etc. etc. Then, I met my wife's best friend. About as gay as gay can be, and cool as the other side of the pillow. Then, as my career in the army went on, I met more gay people in the towns and cities in the areas I lived. In probably the 20 or so acquaintances that I made, I only had issues with 1 person, everyone else were extremely nice, laid back people. They were a ton of fun to hang out with, even drink a bunch or whatever, the vast majority of them realized that I am straight and respected that.
Then I learned about transgenderism... Having had the experiences that I had with the Gay/Lesbian community that I had, I didn't negatively view this... but I thought it slightly odd. Then, I met some trans people (one I hung out with fairly regularly at my school), and guess what!? They are some genuinely cool people!
I lay out this story for one reason: The US is moving to include the LGBT community. You can either accept it, and move on, or you can remain bigoted and hateful towards something that in all actuality, you probably don't understand.
By Odin's beard, I don't fully understand some aspects of LGBT life, and the very real struggles of using restrooms in public, but feth... I'm gonna try, because at the end of the day... this is all there is.
This is several pages late, but I just wanted to say thanks for sharing in this post- I grew up in a very passively liberal area where I got the passive tolerance (rather than actual acceptance or really trying to understand anything) approach taught, and went through a similar needing to know people situation before I understood things, too. Yeah, a lot of it's confusing or difficult to approach, but I think you've got a really good attitude about it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/01 17:48:06
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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And now ESPN has steipped Ditka of his analyst duties as well....for expeessing personal feelings refarding President Obama.
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/03/11/mike-ditka-removed-from-espn-analyst-role-after-comments-on-president-obama/
Automatically Appended Next Post: Mike Ditka, an ESPN NFL Sunday Countdown analyst, former coach, and football star, was stripped of his role on the show days after he called Barack Obama the “worst president ever.” Not long ago, Ditka made the following remarks about Obama and the 2016 presidential election during an appearance on the Bernie and Sid Morning Show:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/01 18:49:06
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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People try to politicize these firing but it's so much simpler than that. Strong opinions divide people and could lead to reduced viewership, thus losing ESPN money. Money talks, so if any of their broadcasters start making statements that could have significant impact on their demographic then you jettison that dead weight. Their move is the same whether they are liberal or apolitical.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 13:08:27
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Dear Actors, Actresses, and Sports People,
No one gives a gak about your political, religious, or medical opinions. You're expertise is method acting and sports. Stick to that.
Thank you.
Sincerely, People who don't care who Ditka voted for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 13:24:22
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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kronk wrote:Dear Actors, Actresses, and Sports People,
No one gives a gak about your political, religious, or medical opinions. You're expertise is method acting and sports. Stick to that.
Thank you.
Sincerely, People who don't care who Ditka voted for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 15:53:14
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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So they are supposed to keep their personal opinions to themselves because they are "famous"...and anonymous folks like you and I can say whatever we desire. Gotcha.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 16:09:12
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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TheMeanDM wrote:So they are supposed to keep their personal opinions to themselves because they are "famous"...and anonymous folks like you and I can say whatever we desire. Gotcha.
Dear TheMeanDM,
No one cares what you had for lunch today.
Sincerely,
Your Facebook family.
Also, nice strawman. That is not at all what I said. Play nice or don't play at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 16:20:32
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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TheMeanDM wrote:So they are supposed to keep their personal opinions to themselves because they are "famous"...and anonymous folks like you and I can say whatever we desire. Gotcha.
Pretty much. That's the price of fame, is that the scrutiny of the public eye is a constant threat. Plenty of celebrities get gak for posting their opinions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 16:22:07
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'd respect Curt more if he posted a spread in Paper Magazine like Kim Kardasian (sp?0 did instead of running his mouth, spouting bigotry.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 17:52:02
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Most people keep personal opinions to themselves all the time. At work, for example. Virtually anybody that has a public reputation is pretty scrupulous about what they post in social media.
I'm very careful about what I post, and I'm a relatively low level supervisor in the government. I share things in closed loops, like email chains or facebook chats, but not on twitter or publically on Facebook.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 17:53:57
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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TheMeanDM wrote:So they are supposed to keep their personal opinions to themselves because they are "famous"...and anonymous folks like you and I can say whatever we desire. Gotcha.
Yep. Celebrities and spokespeople are brands. Those brands have value, and those values tank when the brand (aka, the person who is selling their celebrity or fame) alienates potential customers. Those customers could be ESPN viewers, Nike shoe purchasers or McDonnalds patrons, but the details don't really matter. What matters is the corporations paying these brands to represent them do not like it when the brands go rogue and start spouting off about controversial topics that will piss off high percentages of their customer base. That is bad for business.
Which is all this is. Business.
I think its hard for us regular schmucks to understand this since we typically have "on the clock" and "off the clock" hours were our opinions are regulated or free according to what time of day it is. For celebrity spokespeople that isn't the case. They are always "on" so their speech *should* always be regulated. When it isn't you get situations like Schilling's or Ditka's. I'd weep for them, but they should have known what they were getting into when becoming a part of the public eye.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 18:39:56
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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No they can say left wing opinions all they wish just don't say anything conservative
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 18:51:57
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Oldmike wrote:No they can say left wing opinions all they wish just don't say anything conservative
Which isn't really a comeback at all, and doesn't invalidate any of the points already raised.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 19:08:02
Subject: Re:Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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I've known several transgender individuals...most from a stint in residential treatment center for BPD. One was on hormones MTF, one was a woman living as a man, one was gender fluid, and one decided to transition from being a man to a woman. I don't know if the last was on hormones yet. I've encountered a few on dating sites/apps and they've all been MTF. Interestingly the ones on the apps seem to go the full glamour route and are very keen on dressing up, makeup, and all that.
I've heard that the brains in people that are transgender fire differently than those that are cis in that transgender individuals, say a woman in a man's body, has brain patterns? more similar to that of a cis woman. The differences between men and woman are really superficial and can be chalked up heavily to some differences in skeletal structure, but primarily to hormonal differences. Heck, there's a reason why female bodybuilders on a heavy dosage of various PEDs end up with masculine voices and faces. Just as a guy on estrogen or whatever else they take develops breasts.
The only concern I have concerning the transgender population is that some of them appear in my experience to have severe mental or emotional issues. Whether or not this is caused by them being forced by society to live as a gender they don't identify as is yet to be determined. I just worry some people seek to change their gender out of the hope it will somehow fix them, even though that may not be the answer at all, or at the very best is only part of the solution.
It's definitely something not to be made light of and I wouldn't say people that are transgender or have gender identity issues should be pitied. They should completely be respected and treated as human being's FFS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 19:11:21
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Oldmike wrote:No they can say left wing opinions all they wish just don't say anything conservative
Often fired Keith Olbermann wishes that were so.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 19:19:05
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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Oldmike wrote:No they can say left wing opinions all they wish just don't say anything conservative
They can espose beliefs that show they care about people no problem. Espousing beliefs about how horrible certain types of people are will get you in trouble.
Defending helpless or weak people is fine. Being a bully will get you in trouble.
This is not rocket science.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 20:00:03
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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These people are famous for *their* hard work/success, etc...not because they are commentators.
Unless you are a Joe Buck type of person...you were hired because of your success and personality.
I just do not agree with the idea and/or practice of companies policing every aspect of their employees' lives when they are not behind the desk.
Ditka's political views have *zero* to do with his ability to analyze or comment on football.
I'd put $$ on the bet that there was no, and never will be any, measurable drop in ESPN subscriptions that can be directly attributed to his comment--on his personal time--regarding Obama.
Now if an employee is purposely bad mouthing their employer and it can be shown to have been harmful....fire them. I am fine with that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 20:08:49
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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TheMeanDM wrote:These people are famous for *their* hard work/success, etc...not because they are commentators.
And they should stick to those topics. Sports, football, coaching, etc.
Not politics. People don't tune into ESPN to listen to a 70 year old man bitch about the President.
People turn the channel. That's fewer people watching that channel. Advertisers get mad. Channel has to react.
I'm not sure why you don't get that part.
TheMeanDM wrote:
Now if an employee is purposely bad mouthing their employer and it can be shown to have been harmful....fire them. I am fine with that.
You don't understand how an ESPN commentator bad mouthing the sitting president might be harmful when viewers start turning the channel and/or complaining to the channel and it's advertisers?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 20:09:20
Subject: Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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TheMeanDM wrote:Ditka's political views have *zero* to do with his ability to analyze or comment on football.
I'd put $$ on the bet that there was no, and never will be any, measurable drop in ESPN subscriptions that can be directly attributed to his comment--on his personal time--regarding Obama.
I suspect there was something else going on in this situation. Merely saying "Obama is the worst" is well below the level of the usual things that get people fired. So I'd guess either there's more to the incident than was seen in public, or ESPN was already thinking of getting rid of him for other reasons and this just gave them a convenient excuse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 20:13:18
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That's the thing....
Ditka *wasn't* on ESPN. He was in a syndicated radio talk show (which sounded like something on Sirius, etc).
If he were behind the ESPN desk and on ESPN cameras and on ESPN time and started blathering his political nonsense....yeah...then people will change the channel and he should have consequences.
That is NOT what he was doing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 21:33:54
Subject: Re:Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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trexmeyer wrote:I've known several transgender individuals...most from a stint in residential treatment center for BPD. One was on hormones MTF, one was a woman living as a man, one was gender fluid, and one decided to transition from being a man to a woman. I don't know if the last was on hormones yet. I've encountered a few on dating sites/apps and they've all been MTF. Interestingly the ones on the apps seem to go the full glamour route and are very keen on dressing up, makeup, and all that.
I've heard that the brains in people that are transgender fire differently than those that are cis in that transgender individuals, say a woman in a man's body, has brain patterns? more similar to that of a cis woman. The differences between men and woman are really superficial and can be chalked up heavily to some differences in skeletal structure, but primarily to hormonal differences. Heck, there's a reason why female bodybuilders on a heavy dosage of various PEDs end up with masculine voices and faces. Just as a guy on estrogen or whatever else they take develops breasts.
The only concern I have concerning the transgender population is that some of them appear in my experience to have severe mental or emotional issues. Whether or not this is caused by them being forced by society to live as a gender they don't identify as is yet to be determined. I just worry some people seek to change their gender out of the hope it will somehow fix them, even though that may not be the answer at all, or at the very best is only part of the solution.
It's definitely something not to be made light of and I wouldn't say people that are transgender or have gender identity issues should be pitied. They should completely be respected and treated as human being's FFS.
One of my closest friends is transexual, she is MtF transitioning. I agree with some of the things you say for sure. For one, she's significantly more stereotypically girly than my wife in most ways. I don't know if this is intentional or ingrained overcompensation, or just the way she "normally" is.
Additionally, as you mentioned, she is deeply, deeply depressed, not quite suicidally depressed but certainly a lot closer to that line than I would like. Would she been nearly suicidally depressed if her brain and body matched in gender? No clue. It's sure not helping though. I'm not even really sure the surgeries are going to help, since there are so very many of them and limited funds and what appears to be something that maybe can't be satisfied in her.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Peregrine wrote:I suspect there was something else going on in this situation. Merely saying "Obama is the worst" is well below the level of the usual things that get people fired. So I'd guess either there's more to the incident than was seen in public, or ESPN was already thinking of getting rid of him for other reasons and this just gave them a convenient excuse.
I think it has nothing to do with the "Obama is the worst" comments - I think as you say it was just a convenient hook upon which to hang it. He's apparently been giving a lot of pro-Trump coverage, even after ESPN sent out a memo in January asking their talent not refrain from that sort of coverage. They seem to be worried about the equal time rule, maybe more than they should be - but that's my take.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 22:29:48
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Oldmike wrote:No they can say left wing opinions all they wish just don't say anything conservative
Yeah, just ask the Dixie Chicks!
Or Target Corporation right now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 22:55:17
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TheMeanDM wrote:That's the thing....
Ditka *wasn't* on ESPN. He was in a syndicated radio talk show (which sounded like something on Sirius, etc).
If he were behind the ESPN desk and on ESPN cameras and on ESPN time and started blathering his political nonsense....yeah...then people will change the channel and he should have consequences.
That is NOT what he was doing.
I know at this point it has been explained a few times, and it seems like you either just disagree or you don't want to understand it, but I'll just repeat it one more time:
1) ESPN has a clause in their contract saying "don't be an donkey-cave"
2) Person does something that makes them look like an donkey-cave, regardless of where such display of being an donkey-cave occurs
3) ESPN decides to no longer employ the donkey-cave because they don't want to look like a company that keeps donkey-caves on payroll.
Simple stuff really.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/02 23:03:40
Subject: Re:Curt Schilling fired from ESPN over meme
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trexmeyer wrote:The only concern I have concerning the transgender population is that some of them appear in my experience to have severe mental or emotional issues. Whether or not this is caused by them being forced by society to live as a gender they don't identify as is yet to be determined. I just worry some people seek to change their gender out of the hope it will somehow fix them, even though that may not be the answer at all, or at the very best is only part of the solution.
It's definitely something not to be made light of and I wouldn't say people that are transgender or have gender identity issues should be pitied. They should completely be respected and treated as human being's FFS.
I can only speak from knowledge of the UK's health services, but if a patient here requests medical help in transitioning, one of the first (and admittedly out of date) steps for their GP is to get them a local mental health assessment to ensure that their condition is not related to an underlying cause. More correctly these days, a gender clinic (the only places where hormones and counselling are given) would require this if they suspected any issues.
Say OCD or anxiety may cause a person to ruminate on something long enough to convince them of it, or other more severe mental disorders. It is extremely unlikely (I'd say impossible, but nothing is foolproof) that someone suffering extreme mental issues would receive medical aid in transitioning without addressing those issues first.
However, I understand that in some countries, "informed consent" allows for patients to access drugs and treatments they are prepared to pay for, but I suspect these are the minority of cases, compared to the standard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/03 00:28:27
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Honestly, a mental health assessment prior to any major medical process probably isn't a bad idea.
But I'm not one to shy away from mental health care. I can see why people want to avoid the stigma. Me? I proudly told the world that I'm actually fully sane!
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