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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 09:28:47
Subject: Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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Drugs, this took on a more sinister aspect.
Someone had made a bad enemy for this to happen, hardly a reaction to a minor situation
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 09:44:07
Subject: Re:Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Dreadwinter wrote: djones520 wrote:
From what I read, the youngest killed was 16, and given the manner of attack, I'd be willing to bet the 16 year old was well involved in the "family business" as well. So, great loss to society? Unlikely.
He was still a 16 year old killed and if the "family business" was weed then it was absolutely a great loss.
But, since drugs were related, good thing the scum died. Right?
Just because everyone thinks marijuana is a "safe" drug, does not mean there is still not a very powerful criminal enterprise behind it. Mexican drug cartels are known to do business in the area given how strong the marijuana market is there, so its not like this is a case of some young kids growing a plant or two for fun crossing the wrong people.
Look, "massacres" like this are hardly good, no matter the type of people involved. All indications so far though seem to point to this family being heavily involved in drug trafficking, and yes, even if it is marijuana, drug trafficking efforts are doing things like helping to prop up drug cartels, so I reiterate, so no great loss to society. I feel for their family and friends, but that is where my sympathy ends.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 09:58:42
Subject: Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Actually, it is pretty likely that this family was independent and growing on their own to sell. You are really reaching for the drug cartels angle. Not everything is linked to the cartels.
Either way, if the drug cartels are involved, that is no reason to write off the death of a 16 year old kid as not a great loss to society. It is a 16 year old kid. That is ridiculous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 10:07:47
Subject: Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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Dreadwinter wrote:Actually, it is pretty likely that this family was independent and growing on their own to sell. You are really reaching for the drug cartels angle. Not everything is linked to the cartels.
Either way, if the drug cartels are involved, that is no reason to write off the death of a 16 year old kid as not a great loss to society. It is a 16 year old kid. That is ridiculous.
And? 16 year old kid stole my car, and was arrested robbing someones house once, got off with a slap on the wrist, shortly thereafter he spent a couple years in jail for statutory rape(don't wanna know the age of the girl...). A quick google search has found numerous 16 year old kids being charged for murder, within the last few months. That "kid" who tried to kill a police officer in Chicago recently was 16.
The day after I turned 17 (2 days removed from 16), I enlisted to join the military.
So tell me again how just because he was 16 that means like I should automatically care more? 16 year olds are fully capable of making adult decisions, and accepting the consequences for them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 10:11:36
Subject: Re:Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
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djones520 wrote: Dreadwinter wrote: djones520 wrote:
From what I read, the youngest killed was 16, and given the manner of attack, I'd be willing to bet the 16 year old was well involved in the "family business" as well. So, great loss to society? Unlikely.
He was still a 16 year old killed and if the "family business" was weed then it was absolutely a great loss.
But, since drugs were related, good thing the scum died. Right?
Just because everyone thinks marijuana is a "safe" drug, does not mean there is still not a very powerful criminal enterprise behind it. Mexican drug cartels are known to do business in the area given how strong the marijuana market is there, so its not like this is a case of some young kids growing a plant or two for fun crossing the wrong people.
Look, "massacres" like this are hardly good, no matter the type of people involved. All indications so far though seem to point to this family being heavily involved in drug trafficking, and yes, even if it is marijuana, drug trafficking efforts are doing things like helping to prop up drug cartels, so I reiterate, so no great loss to society. I feel for their family and friends, but that is where my sympathy ends.
This kind of response to something. Hardly sounds like a smalll enterprise going on there.
And the fact according to some the family warned to carry weapons as a precaution a week or so before. They knew something was coming?
Even minus cartel angle in there growing it could be they did not want to grow foe the cartel and they don,t take kindly to being told no.
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 10:13:37
Subject: Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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djones520 wrote: Dreadwinter wrote:Actually, it is pretty likely that this family was independent and growing on their own to sell. You are really reaching for the drug cartels angle. Not everything is linked to the cartels.
Either way, if the drug cartels are involved, that is no reason to write off the death of a 16 year old kid as not a great loss to society. It is a 16 year old kid. That is ridiculous.
And? 16 year old kid stole my car, and was arrested robbing someones house once, got off with a slap on the wrist, shortly thereafter he spent a couple years in jail for statutory rape(don't wanna know the age of the girl...). A quick google search has found numerous 16 year old kids being charged for murder, within the last few months. That "kid" who tried to kill a police officer in Chicago recently was 16.
The day after I turned 17 (2 days removed from 16), I enlisted to join the military.
So tell me again how just because he was 16 that means like I should automatically care more? 16 year olds are fully capable of making adult decisions, and accepting the consequences for them.
Cool story. Also, 16 year olds are not fully capable of making adult decisions. In fact, the stories you just told me proves that 16 year olds are not capable of making adult decisions.
But, putting that aside, what do other 16 year olds have to do with this 16 year old? Or are we just lumping them all together and assuming that they are all the same now?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 11:39:11
Subject: Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Fixture of Dakka
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Dreadwinter wrote: djones520 wrote: Dreadwinter wrote:Actually, it is pretty likely that this family was independent and growing on their own to sell. You are really reaching for the drug cartels angle. Not everything is linked to the cartels. Either way, if the drug cartels are involved, that is no reason to write off the death of a 16 year old kid as not a great loss to society. It is a 16 year old kid. That is ridiculous. And? 16 year old kid stole my car, and was arrested robbing someones house once, got off with a slap on the wrist, shortly thereafter he spent a couple years in jail for statutory rape(don't wanna know the age of the girl...). A quick google search has found numerous 16 year old kids being charged for murder, within the last few months. That "kid" who tried to kill a police officer in Chicago recently was 16. The day after I turned 17 (2 days removed from 16), I enlisted to join the military. So tell me again how just because he was 16 that means like I should automatically care more? 16 year olds are fully capable of making adult decisions, and accepting the consequences for them. Cool story. Also, 16 year olds are not fully capable of making adult decisions. In fact, the stories you just told me proves that 16 year olds are not capable of making adult decisions. But, putting that aside, what do other 16 year olds have to do with this 16 year old? Or are we just lumping them all together and assuming that they are all the same now? To be blunt, the loss of any single 16 year old is not going to be "a great loss to society". Our society didn't suffer any major loss at this kid's death. It just didn't. This kid in particular, tied to a drug family, frankly is not a huge loss to anyone but his family and friends. He just isn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 12:06:34
Subject: Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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CptJake wrote: Dreadwinter wrote: djones520 wrote: Dreadwinter wrote:Actually, it is pretty likely that this family was independent and growing on their own to sell. You are really reaching for the drug cartels angle. Not everything is linked to the cartels.
Either way, if the drug cartels are involved, that is no reason to write off the death of a 16 year old kid as not a great loss to society. It is a 16 year old kid. That is ridiculous.
And? 16 year old kid stole my car, and was arrested robbing someones house once, got off with a slap on the wrist, shortly thereafter he spent a couple years in jail for statutory rape(don't wanna know the age of the girl...). A quick google search has found numerous 16 year old kids being charged for murder, within the last few months. That "kid" who tried to kill a police officer in Chicago recently was 16.
The day after I turned 17 (2 days removed from 16), I enlisted to join the military.
So tell me again how just because he was 16 that means like I should automatically care more? 16 year olds are fully capable of making adult decisions, and accepting the consequences for them.
Cool story. Also, 16 year olds are not fully capable of making adult decisions. In fact, the stories you just told me proves that 16 year olds are not capable of making adult decisions.
But, putting that aside, what do other 16 year olds have to do with this 16 year old? Or are we just lumping them all together and assuming that they are all the same now?
To be blunt, the loss of any single 16 year old is not going to be "a great loss to society". Our society didn't suffer any major loss at this kid's death. It just didn't. This kid in particular, tied to a drug family, frankly is not a huge loss to anyone but his family and friends. He just isn't.
Stop with the drug family bit, it doesn't really apply to a 16 year old kid who has a whole life ahead of him. Just because he was in a family that grew marijuana does not make his death any less of a loss to society. The sins of the father blah blah blah something like that?
Edit: Words hard this early
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 12:34:15
Subject: Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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Regardless, he could have come from a family of nuclear physicists, the loss of a single 16 year old is not "a great loss to society". Your statement was hyperbole at best, stupid at worst.
But unfortunately his family ties DO make a difference in how he would have been likely to turn out. It is very rare to break out of that type of environment. Honestly the odds are very much against this kid having done so if given the chance. Moot point, he doesn't have the chance. But that in itself is indicative of why breaking out was not likely.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 12:44:04
Subject: Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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CptJake wrote:Regardless, he could have come from a family of nuclear physicists, the loss of a single 16 year old is not "a great loss to society". Your statement was hyperbole at best, stupid at worst.
But unfortunately his family ties DO make a difference in how he would have been likely to turn out. It is very rare to break out of that type of environment. Honestly the odds are very much against this kid having done so if given the chance. Moot point, he doesn't have the chance. But that in itself is indicative of why breaking out was not likely.
You are saying my statement is stupid but saying that a single person is not a great loss to society? That is ridiculously dumb. You also know very little about the kid and you are judging him based on a situation that was out of his control. This could could have gone on to do a number of things that would have positively impacted society, such as run for government office or work in a hospital saving lives.
Look at me, I grew up in a family of alcoholics and drug addicts. But I came out of it and I have done great things for society like caring for the elderly and saving lives in hospitals.
Do not call my statement stupid when you are the one attempting to predict the future based on events the kid had no control over. You honestly do not know what you are talking about.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 12:54:24
Subject: Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Guys, move on 'eh. This is a philosophical difference between the two of you that will not be swayed by argument. Some people see the value in youth and lives, some do not. Some of us are just more evolved and realize that canines are eminently superior... Oh and I forgot:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 13:10:07
Subject: Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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Dreadwinter wrote: CptJake wrote:Regardless, he could have come from a family of nuclear physicists, the loss of a single 16 year old is not "a great loss to society". Your statement was hyperbole at best, stupid at worst.
But unfortunately his family ties DO make a difference in how he would have been likely to turn out. It is very rare to break out of that type of environment. Honestly the odds are very much against this kid having done so if given the chance. Moot point, he doesn't have the chance. But that in itself is indicative of why breaking out was not likely.
You are saying my statement is stupid but saying that a single person is not a great loss to society? That is ridiculously dumb. You also know very little about the kid and you are judging him based on a situation that was out of his control. This could could have gone on to do a number of things that would have positively impacted society, such as run for government office or work in a hospital saving lives.
Look at me, I grew up in a family of alcoholics and drug addicts. But I came out of it and I have done great things for society like caring for the elderly and saving lives in hospitals.
Do not call my statement stupid when you are the one attempting to predict the future based on events the kid had no control over. You honestly do not know what you are talking about.
Yeah, I do know what I am talking about.
It is great you broke out, it is rare. Congratulations. But you have not done 'great things for society'. You've done good things for a few folks and maybe helped a community. If you disappeared tomorrow, your family and friends would have lost a good guy, Society wouldn't blink.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 13:14:31
Subject: Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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CptJake wrote: Dreadwinter wrote: CptJake wrote:Regardless, he could have come from a family of nuclear physicists, the loss of a single 16 year old is not "a great loss to society". Your statement was hyperbole at best, stupid at worst.
But unfortunately his family ties DO make a difference in how he would have been likely to turn out. It is very rare to break out of that type of environment. Honestly the odds are very much against this kid having done so if given the chance. Moot point, he doesn't have the chance. But that in itself is indicative of why breaking out was not likely.
You are saying my statement is stupid but saying that a single person is not a great loss to society? That is ridiculously dumb. You also know very little about the kid and you are judging him based on a situation that was out of his control. This could could have gone on to do a number of things that would have positively impacted society, such as run for government office or work in a hospital saving lives.
Look at me, I grew up in a family of alcoholics and drug addicts. But I came out of it and I have done great things for society like caring for the elderly and saving lives in hospitals.
Do not call my statement stupid when you are the one attempting to predict the future based on events the kid had no control over. You honestly do not know what you are talking about.
Yeah, I do know what I am talking about.
It is great you broke out, it is rare. Congratulations. But you have not done 'great things for society'. You've done good things for a few folks and maybe helped a community. If you disappeared tomorrow, your family and friends would have lost a good guy, Society wouldn't blink.
No, you really do not know what you are talking about. I don't think you understand what society is or the value of life.
But I agree with Frazzled, I am not going to be able to teach you about the value of life or how it effects society on an internet forum.
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