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So in this list I'll be running the Windrider Host AND Aspect host together as follows:

Windrider Host:

HQ:
Farseer w/ singing spear, spirit stone of Anath'lan & jetbike. 135 pts
Warlock w/ singing spear and jetbike. 55 pts

Troops:
4 windriders w/ scatter laser 108 pts
4 windriders w/ scatter laser 108 pts
4 windriders (no upgrades) 68 pts

Fast attack:
Vyper w/ Holo-Fields, Bright lance and shuriken cannon. 75 pts


Aspect Host:
4 Fire dragons + Exarch w/ firepike. + Wave serpent w/ Holo-fields, twin-linked brightlance and shuriken cannon. 275 pts
4 Striking scorpions + Exarch w/ Scorpion's claw & scorpion chain sword. + Wave serpent w/ Holo-fields, twin-linked bright lance and shuriken cannon. 265pts
4 Warp spiders + Exarch w/ twin-linked Death Spinner. 110 pts

Total: 1199 pts.

The stratagy is to put the scorpions and warps spiders on reserve (might put a jetbike unit also in reserve) and try to read my opponent to decide where would be the best place to strike with scorpions and warp spiders. In the meanwhile, Keeping my distance with the bikes, vyper and HQ I dwiddle down his advancing units. I've got Fire dragons, 2 Wave serpents with TL bright lance and a vyper with brightlance for anti-tank (It might be an over kill with the wave serpents. might change to scatter lasers on them)

I'll be taking the +1 to BS with the aspect host and the windrider host helps my scorpions and fire dragons run across the table with ease.
I don't expect any flyers since I'm playing with my close friends who have none (yet)

What do you think guys?

This is not a friendly list.

HQ:
Farseer w/ singing spear, spirit stone of Anath'lan & jetbike. 135 pts
Warlock w/ singing spear and jetbike. 55 pts

Replace with a non-psyker HQ.

Troops:
4 windriders w/ scatter laser 108 pts
4 windriders w/ scatter laser 108 pts
4 windriders (no upgrades) 68 pts

Remove scatter lasers.

Aspect Host:
4 Fire dragons + Exarch w/ firepike. + Wave serpent w/ Holo-fields, twin-linked brightlance and shuriken cannon. 275 pts
4 Striking scorpions + Exarch w/ Scorpion's claw & scorpion chain sword. + Wave serpent w/ Holo-fields, twin-linked bright lance and shuriken cannon. 265pts
4 Warp spiders + Exarch w/ twin-linked Death Spinner. 110 pts

Remove warp spiders.

Furthermore:

No formations. Run a CAD.

I probably should mention that 1 of my friends is running a Necron decurrion ^.^"

First off: don't bother with traditio's pet peeve with HQ that are psykers, space marines have em so you can have a few sparkly elves vomiting bolts of doom. At this point level it's safe to play warp spiders, so don't pay attention to that one.

On second thought. For this specific point level ignore him outright.

Mushkinides wrote:
I probably should mention that 1 of my friends is running a Necron decurrion ^.^"

Oh, alright. Alternative proposals:

1. Keep the formations.
2. Restrict scatter laser upgrades to one bike in 3.
3. Replace the striking scorpions with practically anything else. Striking scorpions aren't that good, and a wave serpent isn't an assault vehicle.
4. Replace warpspiders with something that isn't shenanigans.

I dont play Eldar often but this seems fine. Youre running 4 whole warp spiders in a 1200 point game. With White Scars I could spam grav-guns and a librarius conclave in the same points so your 1 psyker doesn't strike me as cheesy. It doesn't seem all that cheesy to me. Hell you could be squeezing a wraithknight into those points if you wanted. Playing a friendly game to me is not neutering your army, its not taking advantage of 100s of free points or formation spam to play GMCs or super-heavies. Id be fine to play this list any time

I don't own wraiths, but are scorpions really that bad?

Mushkinides wrote:
I don't own wraiths, but are scorpions really that bad?

Howling banshees are better, but even they're not particularly good. Again, the eldar codex just doesn't really have a good delivery system for melee units.

Then there's the fact that the aspect host confers either +1 BS or +1 WS.

The striking scorpions wouldn't really benefit.

I've always liked them and thought they did well. The Wave Serpent not being an assault vehicle doesn't really effect them because they Infiltrate.

pm713 wrote:
I've always liked them and thought they did well. The Wave Serpent not being an assault vehicle doesn't really effect them because they Infiltrate.

You can't infiltrate and assault first turn, though.

I don't know. I just feel like he would be spending the points better on a more shooty unit.

Traditio wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I've always liked them and thought they did well. The Wave Serpent not being an assault vehicle doesn't really effect them because they Infiltrate.

You can't infiltrate and assault first turn, though.

I don't know. I just feel like he would be spending the points better on a more shooty unit.

So? Most units can't charge first turn. You can charge T2 which is a lot better than most units.

There's enough shooting there already.

I'll be playing a necron army, a chaos SM army and a spam of Terminator dark angel army... I think I'll need SOME sort of melee unit. no?

Mushkinides wrote:
I'll be playing a necron army, a chaos SM army and a spam of Terminator dark angel army... I think I'll need SOME sort of melee unit. no?

Necrons have ridiculously tough infantry, but very little in terms of ranged weaponry. What melee Necron does have is likely to outclass your striking scorpions.

I suppose you could charge necron warriors and try to sweep them, but eh...

CSM is going to be outclassed even if you nerf your army. Because Chaos Space Marines.

And again, striking scorpions won't really help against terminators. Terminators have 2+ armor and come with power fists.

That Scorpions Claw is good. It will certainly kill a few Terminators and sweeping Necrons is always good. There's nothing like sweeping a 20 strong unit of Necron Warriors.

Traditio wrote:

Mushkinides wrote:
I don't own wraiths, but are scorpions really that bad?

Howling banshees are better, but even they're not particularly good. Again, the eldar codex just doesn't really have a good delivery system for melee units.

Then there's the fact that the aspect host confers either +1 BS or +1 WS.

The striking scorpions wouldn't really benefit.

Again, showing us you don't know the subject entirely.

Banshees are only good if the oponent rocks 3+ saves (and then, only marginally). Whereas the scorpions rack more wounds (and can tank more of them) against everything else. Plus they are, as a norm, more survivable witht their 3+ armor and, before the first combat/shooting 4++ cover (or better if you're in terrain).

Traditio wrote:


And again, striking scorpions won't really help against terminators. Terminators have 2+ armor and come with power fists.

Scorpion Claw is like a power fist, str x2 ap2, but hits on initiative 6. 4 times during the first round of combat, iirc

Which will be most of the time 4 wounds and can be, against regular termies, kill 3 of them with luck (deathwing knights will suffer 1-2 casualties, but what the hell do you expect charing a 250pts unit with a 150pts unit.)

Look I play against eldar quite a bit, its hard to make a "friendly" eldar list. I would say if you want to make your list "friendly", the only thing i would change is to switch out your scatter lasers for Shuriken cannons. that way you have to be smart about your positions at least to take shots at him. otherwise you can just range dance him all day, and that feels bad no matter who you are. Nothing wrong with one squad of warp spiders, its not like you are spamming them. That is the only thing i would say about the list. Its solid, he will be bringing something solid to then you will be fine, Honestly you can randomly pick units fromt hat dex and do fine so at least your not bringing a Wraith Knight and being "that guy"

Or bring guardian defenders. They really can be a point sink that will limit your choices (they aren't bad, but nowhere as good as scatter bikes).

As a fellow eldar player i can say scat bikes are gonna wreck in low points but the far seer is fine people that complain about him are the same kinda people that use a the new space marine powers religiously
the spiders are fine and hunter is cool and good in case of surprise storm ravens the spiders i don't like them much but all in all its good

Paintwhore99:

A: your name... is hilarious!

B: the new marine powers are insane!

C: I agree with you on the Farseer is good but not broken in and of themselves.

Now had to squeased a seer council in at this points(i dont know the break down on that) I would have called shenanigans, but as is if your guna take bikes scat bikes is just obnoxious fora "friendly' anything.