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So, this was the first time this came up in a game for me, However this week i was playing a game with a friend who played eldar, So of course I saw jet bikes. I happened to catch his bikes from behind, and charged them. So he wanted to declare overwatch, The question is, If you charge a jet bike unit from the side or back can they overwatch? Or does their weapon have a 45% angle from the barrel? The way i interpret it is that they can only overwatch in front of them because like in shooting they function that way. However his interpretation of overwatch is different then mine. I am not seeing anywhere in the rules where it says you can overwatch with bikes when being charged from behind, but not seeing where its specifically says you cant. If anyone knows the answer to this please help, and can you post the rule wording if you find it? So we can use it correctly? thanks!

Jet bikes are not vehicles and im pretty sure they dont have firing arcs.

Jetbikes are Infantry and not Vehicles, they have a 360 degree arc of fire.

 Desubot wrote:
Jet bikes are not vehicles and im pretty sure they dont have firing arcs.

Correct. Jetbikes are not vehicles and thus have 360 degree LoS. So no matter what direction the charger comes from, the Jetbike will be able to overwatch. The only thing I can see that would stop them is if some members of the Jetbike unit could not draw LoS to the charging unit due to terrain.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Jetbikes are Infantry and not Vehicles, they have a 360 degree arc of fire.

I assume you meant Jetbikes are units with a Toughness value as Jetbikes are very much not Infantry.

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I am aware they are not vehicles, However We where having trouble finding where in the rules it gave them a 360 degree firing arch.

Yea miswording but the main point is that they're not vehicles. They have a T value

 Dyslexican32 wrote:
I am aware they are not vehicles, However We where having trouble finding where in the rules it gave them a 360 degree firing arch.

Most of it is in General Principles.

You take it from the model's eye view, and the model can ignore models in their unit for shooting, which includes themselves.

In addition, angle of attack is never mentioned as a requirement to Shoot for the base rules, just Line of Sight and Range, and Range is measured to and from the Base (or the Vehicle's Hull where applicable).

No restriction is placed on models looking through themselves or where the gun is pointed until you get to the Vehicles Section.

Jet Bikes do not mention having any requirement to shoot the way they face any more than Infantry does. So, in this respect, Jet Bikes do shoot as Infantry (well, Relentless Infantry).

 Dyslexican32 wrote:
I am aware they are not vehicles, However We where having trouble finding where in the rules it gave them a 360 degree firing arch.

All models start with a 360 degree firing arch. The Vehicle rules have an exception to this. Jetbike rules do not. Therefore they still have a 360 degree firing arch.

We don't have a rule to quote for this because there isn't one specifically quoting Jetbikes as having a 360 degree fire arch. The lack of an exception to the standard shooting rules is what gives them 360 degree shooting.

OK thanks, It just felt weird. But thanks all.

Definitely one of the rules if want to see changed n 40k. Bike mounted guns should have the arc thing. Pistols they might have though they could turn around 360. Would also be nice if Overwatch required an initiative test but that's for a different forum.

 Charistoph wrote:

You take it from the model's eye view, and the model can ignore models in their unit for shooting, which includes themselves.

It's even easier than that in the current rules, as you don't actually take the 'model's eye view' from the model's eyes anymore. LOS is just drawn from anywhere on the model's body, so models' don't have to look 'through' themselves anymore to have a 360 degree arc.

's even easier than that in the current rules, as you don't actually take the 'model's eye view' from the model's eyes anymore. LOS is just drawn from anywhere on the model's body, so models' don't have to look 'through' themselves anymore to have a 360 degree arc.

I thought LoS was measured from the weapon to anywhere on the model they are shooting at? (discounting wings banners ect.)

 Dyslexican32 wrote:

's even easier than that in the current rules, as you don't actually take the 'model's eye view' from the model's eyes anymore. LOS is just drawn from anywhere on the model's body, so models' don't have to look 'through' themselves anymore to have a 360 degree arc.

I thought LoS was measured from the weapon to anywhere on the model they are shooting at? (discounting wings banners ect.)

That's for vehicles. For non-vehicle models, you follow the rules for line of sight as found on page 14 of the main rulebook.

For one model to have line of sight to another, you must be able to trace a straight, unblocked line from its body (the head, torso, arms or legs) to any part of the target’s body.

Ah ok, thanks for that. Just feels weird, but wanted to make sure we where doing the rule right.

There's no reason for it to feel weird. That's the way infantry models work. They're small and reactive enough that things like a fixed field of view would be the weird thing.